the most simple explanation is that "on the X day god created Y" doesn't literally mean a 24 hour day. it means an era, which coincides with the scientific timeline just fine.

This doesn't really answer what I said.

You can make almost any set of beliefs fit any set of data if you try hard enough. Retrofitting days to "eras" of arbitrary length that happen to coincide with the scientific discoveries made way after the fact is an example of that. If the science changes, so will the eras, because it's drawing the circles after the arrow has landed.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 20 2022 08:39am

the fact of the matter is that only a VERY small contingent of Christians are young earth creationists who believe the world was literally made in 7 days, is 5000 something years old, and that dinosaur bones are a trick by the devil. and they are generally laughed at by mainstream Christianity. in a general sense Christians aren't trying to make their belief system fit the scientific model at all, its mostly scientific types strawmanning main streams people as if they're young earthers. most christains are happy to read scientific discovery about pre-animalia earth creation and say "wow that's cool and doesnt change my beliefs in a God at all". eras can flux without it being an issue for christains just as scientists accept the new information the same way, context for an overarching belief system. christains dont need to constantly seek for how the world was made in the specific sense, they just trust that God did it, scientists are the ones on a crusade to build a mountain of data. and that's good, its interesting stuff to just about everyone.

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I was specifically responding to where Icemage said "Now, atheists or agnostics will not be convinced of these arguments, but that's because they don't have good reasons for believing what they do. And they have bad reasons for disbelieving Christianity."

In that I'm asking what "these arguments" are, and what the bad reasons for disbeliving are. It seems like his "arguments" are that you can somehow fit Christianity with scientific discovery after the fact.

Also I think you massively underestimate the number of young earth creationists. There's still a hefty percentage of the total population that believe in creationism. Young Earth Creationism is very much main-stream within Christianity.



This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 20 2022 01:02pm

What's your point? First, I was never one of the guys who believed Trump to be infallible. I was always aware of the fact that he's a deeply flawed guy; I was just willing to put up with his bullshit for a long time out of a certain political calculus. Moreover, I "turned" on Trump as soon as he had outlived his usefulness. Second, I have never claimed to be immune to the mechanism I just described. In fact, I'm on the record admitting that I defended Trump for a longer timespan and to a larger degree than he objectively deserved.

If you're looking for a guy who is on board with his own side's arguments and talking points all the damn time while thinking of himself as immune to propaganda, you will find him by a look in the mirror.







I wasn't calling out mainstream Christians, only the creatonists who had first retconned the Bible into a book to be taken literally, but then backpedaled to a position of "intelligent design" when faced with overwhelming evidence against this interpretation.

In the United States creationism is absolutely main stream.

must be a more southern thing, ive been to dozens of different midwestern churches and the "evolution is a lie god created man as he is now" people are a very small contingent. or maybe its inflated by a lot of boomer aged elderly people, idk.

I've lived in the midwest my entire life. If it's a baptist church it's almost guaranteed that the pastor is routinely calling evolution a lie. Even the methodist churches were calling it out where I was from though.

my gut def leaned towards baptist/evangelical. both a very small thing in my area so thats likely it.