Explain how the bill infringes any rights of the LBGT community. Explain how her endorsing it goes against anything she's ever said.

Always liked her primarily because of her anti-war stance. It's pretty nuts how democrats have completely abandoned the anti-war stance that was so a strong decades prior. Truly a testament how neocons have completely took over both parties. The new normal for the democratic party is bombing places like Libya and causing regional instability while labeling people like Tulsi a Russian asset for being against wars. We live in the upside down.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 13 2022 05:03pm

To be fair, neocons have lost a lot of power within the Republican party during the Trump years. Also, from what I remember, the intervention in Libya was the idea of the UK and France while Obama was initially very reluctant to get involved there. To no one's surprise, their military fared miserably and ran out of missiles within a week; it was not until this point that the US military picked up the slack and finished the job (to disastrous long-term effect).

Trump upped the drone wars almost 500%, did a strike on Iran's general, and assisted with Saudi Arabia's genocide in Yemen.

This idea that Trump deviated in any meaningful sense from the neocons of the party or that they lost any power within the party is just laughable.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 13 2022 10:55pm

He resisted when there was a clear effort to drag him/the US deeper into the Syrian civil war after Assad had used chemical weapons. He attempted a thawing in relations with North Korea. He brokered historic peace deals between Israel and multiple Gulf monarchies. He withdrew troops from northern Syria against the advice of his generals and the voices of the foreign policy establishment in national media. He negotiated and set in motion a plan for the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan.

To claim that he governed like a typical neocon is blatantly absurd. Side note: Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen (not Libya) began in March 2015 and was assisted by Obama throughout the final 18 months of his presidency, so it's not like Trump turning a blind eye to the crimes occurring in this war was a deviation from the course of his predecessor.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 13 2022 11:07pm

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ya i remember ................the austere religious scholar...........how do lefties live with themselves (TDS clown show)

it was just a joke........


This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 13 2022 11:42pm

Joe Biden ended the war in Afghanistan... lol. A war started by a Republican, the longest war in American history, ended by a Democrat.

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Tulsi is in the anti-anti-Trump leftist camp with Greenwald and others. They are kind of like the libertarians, in that the primary enemy for them is the "establishment", and because the "establishment" seems to hate Trump, they consider Trump a friend, or at least someone they either defend or completely ignore.

The psychology behind most of these people is a kneejerk contrarianism, so essentially every "establishment" opinion must be dealt with with a hyper skepticism, while opinions contrary to the "establishment" are to be taken seriously, no matter how loony and deranged.

Cool. Why didn't the Democrats end it in 2008 or any of the 7 subsequent years?

Well Bush was president in 2008 so Democrats had no power to end it then.

The issue isn't whether Obama should've ended the war in his two terms, it's whether Democrats have completely abandoned their anti-war stance, and that's kind of a ridiculous position when Biden ended America's longest war.

Obama pulled out of Iraq. You can say that was a dumb decision because ISIS rose up afterwards, but he did do it. Democrats in recent history are more anti-war than Republicans, and that's even including the aberration of Trump's foreign policy, which doesn't align with most Republican politicians.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 14 2022 06:16pm