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Sep 23 2022 02:27pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2022 12:17pm)
If my history is correct didnt the commies and nazis occupy poland together?


yes
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*Ordering* the indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas.



Uh... good?


They did not want to fight England and tried repeatedly not to.
Say good to all the people in England that died unnecessarily.
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I asked the question, to what war crimes is Churchill guilty. I am yet to be convinced by any arguments.

And mine is the general consensus.


he advocated the use of poison gas, not against humans generally in war, but specifically only to be used against "uncivilized tribes". so basically he created a class of humans it was ok, and by proxy not ok, to use poison gas on.

he purposely exported rice from India during their independence war to starve the populace into submission, an estimated 3 million died from the famine he created.

sent in jackboots to Ireland to violently oppress the people there and even advocated using air power against them to suppress independence pushes.
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They did not want to fight England and tried repeatedly not to.
Say good to all the people in England that died unnecessarily.


Yes, it is known that Hitler liked England and considered them part of the master race.

problem is, if britain did nothing then eventually Hitler would have wanted to annex them.
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They did not want to fight England and tried repeatedly not to.
Say good to all the people in England that died unnecessarily.


Look, I know you're sad Hitler didn't win, but you're not gonna make me sad.
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Sep 23 2022 02:33pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 03:30pm)
Look, I know you're sad Hitler didn't win, but you're not gonna make me sad.


I'll give the dead English your indolence.
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Sep 23 2022 02:38pm
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I'll give the dead English your indolence.


I'd pass along your contempt to the world's remaining Jewry, but they don't need your kind of negativity in their lives.
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Sep 23 2022 02:39pm
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I'd pass along your contempt to the world's remaining Jewry, but they don't need your kind of negativity in their lives.


But will get it anyway.
Sorry, not sorry.
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Sep 23 2022 02:49pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 09:22pm)
*Ordering* the indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas.



Uh... good?


Dresden was bombed at the bequest of the Russians to aid their advance.
In the context of allied bombing raids over Germany, when looked at objectively, are not synonymous with war crimes.

As for Churchill ordering indiscriminate bombing. That is just a falsehood.



Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2022 09:28pm)
he advocated the use of poison gas, not against humans generally in war, but specifically only to be used against "uncivilized tribes". so basically he created a class of humans it was ok, and by proxy not ok, to use poison gas on.

he purposely exported rice from India during their independence war to starve the populace into submission, an estimated 3 million died from the famine he created.

sent in jackboots to Ireland to violently oppress the people there and even advocated using air power against them to suppress independence pushes.


Agreed that the suppression of Irish republicans was atrocious and led to atrocities on behalf of the British army.
As for purposely starving the population of India, that is not simply not accurate.

No doubt by todays standards, Churchill was a POS. Not however, a war criminal.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 23 2022 02:50pm
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Dresden was bombed at the bequest of the Russians to aid their advance.
In the context of allied bombing raids over Germany, when looked at objectively, are not synonymous with war crimes.

As for Churchill ordering indiscriminate bombing. That is just a falsehood.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/hitler-didn-t-start-indiscriminate-bombings-churchill-did-

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Ethical restraints which had been imposed at the start of the war became slowly eroded as a result of Britain’s decision to initiate ‘unrestricted’ bombing of targets located in Germany’s urban areas. In a fascinating chapter entitled ‘The Sorcerer’s Apprentice’ Overy suggests that Britain’s Bomber Command developed its tactics for concentrated ‘area bombing’ and the wide use of incendiary bombs by observing the destruction Germany wrought on London during the Blitz.

The RAF altered its strategy of focusing on precise targets when it saw how effectively the German air force attacked clusters of targets in industrial and commercial areas. However, Overy says that under Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris’s stewardship Bomber Command took things a grisly step further by deliberately targeting German workers to reduce industrial output.


War crime.
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