Intervention is generally only successful in the short term, as the addict will harbor resentment towards those who intervened, which almost always leads to relapse. An addict has to want recovery (and want it for themselves, not want it because of someone else) for it to take root.

I agree, they need to want to stay sober, this is also the case if you were to forcibly confine them to detox. Once you let them go they could again choose to relapse

and most suicidal people only harm themselves, whereas most drug addled vagrants raid grandma's house for drugs or pawnable items.

Then by all means, have the 5-0 come pick him up and toss him in the clink for burglary/larceny/whatever. But that's a consequence of his actions towards another.

do you my extension support putting people who attempt and fail suicide behind bars?

The point being, there are exceedingly few drugs that fall into the category you are describing, if any at all. The vast majority of cases of even drugs that are considered highly addictive don't result in a loss of agency unless there is a significant societal bend against them. Hell, heroine is absolutely not as addictive or life destroying as people think it is. We used to sell it OTC at pharmacies as a cure-all. Parents would give it to their kids.

So when you say people have lost agency due to drugs, it's overwhelmingly more the case that the "lost agency" was the result of the society around them.

That's not an extension of my logic. My logic is predicated on punishing the addict for causing harm to another. The manic is prepared to cause harm to themselves.

did u read my thread and think that i meant imprisoning someone for smoking weed or something? how many homeless weed addicts are there? i'm speaking, i thought clearly, about people months or maybe a year from death due to extremely harsh drugs and far too frequent use.



so i assume thats a no.

Then you've solidly moved from the realm of philosophy to the realm of practicality. It might be practical to take that person and forcibly detox them, but morally you don't get to remove their agency. Any perception of loss of agency you are seeing is actually society treating them poorly, rather than they themselves doing something that resulted in a lost agency.

Correct. I condone things like a medical hold while getting a manic temporary treatment. Not incarceration.