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Jul 3 2022 09:39pm
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you back from hiding but couldn't find a single stat to support your claim?


Not hiding in the slightest. Which claim was it? That guns save lives? I mean its a common sense claim and if you really need me to find stats I will go find them for you.
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Jul 3 2022 09:42pm
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you back from hiding but couldn't find a single stat to support your claim?


Your world

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/17/us/riders-watched-woman-raped-septa.html

My world

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/victim-shoots-rapist-englewood-shooting-sexual-assault/
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Jul 3 2022 09:46pm
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you're strawmanning hard again. look at what i actually wrote:



where does it say "complete ban of guns for everyone"? oh right, nowhere. you can own guns in germany, but you have to prove you're a responsible, mentally stable person. it's much harder for criminals to obtain a gun, and more importantly, there's simply no need for it - resulting in significantly lower homicide rates and naturally far fewer deaths by gun accidents and such. stop making up fake arguments just because the overwhelming statistical evidence doesn't fit your simplistic narrative.

guns are a net negative in terms of safety and life expectancy. only a true idiot would be too stupid to realise that, lol.


You are moving the goal post yet again. Ok let's entertain the idea that you haven't been drivelling guns are net negative in like 90% of your posts suggesting remove guns and problem solved.
Now you saying guns are OK as long as background checks are done. Background checks would not stop criminals from obtaining guns illigally. What's stopping a next mass shooter with no prior conviction on buying a gun? All it does is line the pockets of the licencing department. America isn't Germany son we have a clause "shall not be infringed" which you are ignoring yet again. Criminals obtain illigal firearms regardless.

Also criminals in USA are not allowed to have guns so once again your point is invalid try again.
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Jul 3 2022 09:48pm
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you could have just said that you don't understand the difference between anecdotes and statistical evidence. guns are a net negative. time to join your fellow ammo-sexuals in reeeeeing about the idiot's way to interpret an AMENDMENT, because that's literally all you have...



... until you learn that even that is just a bunch of bullshit that you were brainwashed with.
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Jul 3 2022 10:00pm
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you could have just said that you don't understand the difference between anecdotes and statistical evidence. guns are a net negative. time to join your fellow ammo-sexuals in reeeeeing about the idiot's way to interpret an AMENDMENT, because that's literally all you have...

https://i.imgur.com/qCC9Y74.jpeg

... until you learn that even that is just a bunch of bullshit that you were brainwashed with.



It was affirmed by supreme court for the right to include individual to bear arms. Invalid point again got more random tweet opinions? You are getting clapped by every post kid
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

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Jul 3 2022 10:02pm
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you could have just said that you don't understand the difference between anecdotes and statistical evidence. guns are a net negative. time to join your fellow ammo-sexuals in reeeeeing about the idiot's way to interpret an AMENDMENT, because that's literally all you have...

https://i.imgur.com/qCC9Y74.jpeg

... until you learn that even that is just a bunch of bullshit that you were brainwashed with.


Like a good libtard you've only represented half the truth

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The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees a "right of the people to keep and bear arms." However, the meaning of this clause cannot be understood apart from the purpose, the setting, and the objectives of the draftsmen. At the time of the Bill of Rights, people were apprehensive about the new national government presented to them, and this helps explain the language and purpose of the Second Amendment. It guarantees, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The need for a State militia was the predicate of the "right" guarantee, so as to protect the security of the State. Today, of course, the State militia serves a different purpose. A huge national defense establishment has assumed the role of the militia of 200 years ago. Americans have a right to defend their homes, and nothing should undermine this right; nor does anyone question that the Constitution protects the right of hunters to own and keep sporting guns for hunting anymore than anyone would challenge the right to own and keep fishing rods and other equipment for fishing. Neither does anyone question the right of citizens to keep and own an automobile. Yet there is no strong interest by the citizenry in questioning the power of the State to regulate the purchase or the transfer of such a vehicle and the right to license the vehicle and the driver with reasonable standards. It is even more desirable for the State to have reasonable regulations for the ownership and use of a firearm in an effort to stop mindless homicidal carnage.


https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/second-amendment-does-not-guarantee-right-own-gun-gun-control-p-99

Even Burger acknowledged US Citizens have the right to self defense through firearms even if he thought there should be limits on what could be purchased or license requirements. As that quote was from 1990 and he died in 1995 I would be curious to see how he would rule considering the incredible expansion of gun rights that came right after his passing.
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Jul 3 2022 10:07pm
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It was affirmed by supreme court for the right to include individual to bear arms. Invalid point again got more random tweet opinions? You are getting clapped by every post kid
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller


"random tweet", lol. learn to read, that's a former chief justice of the supreme court, a conservative btw.

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Jul 3 2022 10:18pm
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"random tweet", lol. learn to read, that's a former chief justice of the supreme court, a conservative btw.

https://i.imgur.com/qCC9Y74.jpeg


Thats cute doest change the fact it's the law. And all you have is opinions from one guy. Keep failing kid
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Jul 3 2022 10:45pm
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Thats cute doest change the fact it's the law. And all you have is opinions from one guy. Keep failing kid


ya well that and the knowledge that even the fucking founding fathers wouldn't have wanted kids to get shot up in schools and america lead the civilised world in homicides per capita, oh, and the fact that the rest of the world is shaking their heads in disbelief that you idiots think guns are more important than school children, oh, and of course the overwhelming statistical evidence... but i guess that simply can't compete with a lobby group deliberately misreading an 18th century document in order to sell more guns, lol.

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Jul 3 2022 10:57pm
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ya well that and the knowledge that even the fucking founding fathers wouldn't have wanted kids to get shot up in schools and america lead the civilised world in homicides per capita, oh, and the fact that the rest of the world is shaking their heads in disbelief that you idiots think guns are more important than school children, oh, and of course the overwhelming statistical evidence... but i guess that simply can't compete with a lobby group deliberately misreading an 18th century document in order to sell more guns, lol.

https://i.imgur.com/AL2mKEp.png


Look I don't have time to answer yet another whataboutism tangent you just spewed. You have been thoroughly clapped at this point. May I suggest if you trying to get a point across to a different nation/culture at the very least familiarise with the laws and history before you compare to your theorycrafting and opinion based arguments. Provide facts and maybe even try to not ride a high horse know it all attitude, people would be 10x more receptive then the current stance you employ.
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