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Jul 30 2022 05:06pm
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Also people don't really realise how fast china is growing economically, it has even started absorbing Vietnam and the Philippines slowly into its sphere of influence


No Choice , they are neighbors. :lol:
It's like Mexico and Canada and Caribbean islands and US influence on them :lol:
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No Choice , they are neighbors. :lol:
It's like Mexico and Canada and Caribbean islands and US influence on them :lol:


Yes but china is a bit special, its not acting as a regional power at all. It has absorbed large parts of africa and has begun playing in south america. If i remember correctly, the interest rate of loans by IMF were almost 3 times higher than what china was offering in south america according to a leak or publication i read a few weeks ago (in some cases not all obviously)

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Yes but china is a bit special, its not acting as a regional power at all. It has absorbed large parts of africa and has begun playing in south america. If i remember correctly, the interest rate of loans by IMF were almost 3 times higher than what china was offering in south america according to a leak or publication i read a few weeks ago (in some cases not all obviously)


I know. And the entire world is blaming China because of Sri Lanka and debt trap. But China only holds around 10% of their debt. Japan holds the other 10%

Rest of the world hold 80%
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Also people don't really realise how fast china is growing economically, it has even started absorbing Vietnam and the Philippines slowly into its sphere of influence


I'm pretty sure that everyone is acutely aware of the size and importance of the Chinese economy. But the Chinese economy is currently contracting, and growth rates have steadily decreased since the late 2000s.

China-Vietnam relations are complex.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/09/30/rough-waters-ahead-for-vietnam-china-relations-pub-82826

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And in responding to a hypothetical scenario of being forced to choose sides between the United States and China, Vietnam was the country in the region most likely to choose the United States (85.5 percent), while the median score for the region as a whole was 53.6 percent.


Vietnam and China enjoy strong economic ties and ideological solidarity. On the other hand, China is simultaneously Vietnam's historical aggressor and single greatest national security threat. The "Nine-dash line" puts a significant strain on bilateral relations, and Vietnam has worked hard to normalize relations with the United States, Japan, and others in an effort to balance against those risks.

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I'm pretty sure that everyone is acutely aware of the size and importance of the Chinese economy. But the Chinese economy is currently contracting, and growth rates have steadily decreased since the late 2000s.

China-Vietnam relations are complex.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/09/30/rough-waters-ahead-for-vietnam-china-relations-pub-82826



Vietnam and China enjoy strong economic ties and ideological solidarity. On the other hand, China is simultaneously Vietnam's historical aggressor and single greatest national security threat. The "Nine-dash line" puts a significant strain on bilateral relations, and Vietnam has worked hard to normalize relations with the United States, Japan, and others in an effort to balance against those risks.


From my info , they view the United States as more of a threat than China.
Nam happened not too long ago.
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I'm pretty sure that everyone is acutely aware of the size and importance of the Chinese economy. But the Chinese economy is currently contracting, and growth rates have steadily decreased since the late 2000s.

China-Vietnam relations are complex.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/09/30/rough-waters-ahead-for-vietnam-china-relations-pub-82826



Vietnam and China enjoy strong economic ties and ideological solidarity. On the other hand, China is simultaneously Vietnam's historical aggressor and single greatest national security threat. The "Nine-dash line" puts a significant strain on bilateral relations, and Vietnam has worked hard to normalize relations with the United States, Japan, and others in an effort to balance against those risks.


Usually these types of states is just playing both, or all sides for maximum gain. The Us is trying to use vietnam/india as a counterweight to china, but thats never gonna work because when push comes to shove all pretenses are erased.

It is same with belarus, for many years their position and stance was sorta dubious and flip floppy because they were kinda sorta playing both sides but also not really, so when push came to shove they showed they are 100% aligned with russia.

Vietnamese people/gov hate japanese the most, then china/us. They are very friendly towards russia. But when it boils down to it, being against china is too much of a headache and it is far more preferable economically to just align with them.

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Usually these types of states is just playing both, or all sides for maximum gain. The Us is trying to use vietnam/india as a counterweight to china, but thats never gonna work because when push comes to shove all pretenses are erased.

It is same with belarus, for many years their position and stance was sorta dubious and flip floppy because they were kinda sorta playing both sides but also not really, so when push came to shove they showed they are 100% aligned with russia.

Vietnamese people/gov hate japanese the most, then china/us. They are very friendly towards russia. But when it boils down to it, being against china is too much of a headache and it is far more preferable economically to just align with them.


As much as Vietnam doesn't like China in quite a number of ways, they would rather have a working and trading relationship with China.
Both the US and China have started war with Vietnam.

Th US did it to fight of the Northern Viet Communist and the Chinese did it in respond to Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia.
Fast forward to our current time. Russia acts as a peace maker in a sense between Vietnam and China, like how she acts as a peace maker between China and India.

Are there going to be border clashes between the Chinese and Vietnam and India in future? Probably, but those are not exactly serious enough to wreck relationship.
Further more Vietnam belongs to Asean. A naked aggression from China to Vietnam and the entire Asean will respond.

At the moment, all of us in South East Asia knows exactly what the United States wants. We are not falling for it. We want to maintain our relationship with China and the US at the same time.
Just don't make us choose sides. If we do the US is going to lose out on this.
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we know.
Pelosi is currently in Singapore.
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we know.
Pelosi is currently in Singapore.


The bitch is getting closer
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