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May 24 2022 08:16am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 24 2022 09:09am)
The most important thing to the left is freedom.

The difference betwen the left and the right is actual vs potential freedom.

The right wants to maximize potential freedom. They want you to be able to theoretically do things. Like, if you have the money, you can say whatever you want on whatever outlet you want. You should be theoretically able to broadcast your message in any way you see fit, even if most access to this will only be available to a small few who can actually buy the air time and manipulate the message as they see fit.

The left wants to maximize actual freedom. It doesn't matter if you could potentially buy all the speech you want, if it's only available to an incredibly small few, then those small few will dominate the message.

The right wants you to potentially be able to buy healthcare if you are productive enough, and potentially be able to buy a house, and potentially be able to live a good life. It doesn't matter if that's only realistically avaiable to an increasingly small fraction of the population, as long as the potential is there, that is sufficient.

The left wants you to actually be able to live a good life regardless of circumstance. It is important that everybody have realistic access to the things required to live a good life, even if that comes at the expense of a small portion's theoretical freedom to infinitely merge their company. Everybody should have healthcare, not just potentially be able to access healthcare.



Does that give you a good foundation as to the world I wish to create?


Who the hell wants modern "health care"?
You couldn't pay me to go see a doctor or hospital.
Patient, heal thyself.
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May 24 2022 10:05am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 24 2022 10:09am)
The most important thing to the left is freedom.

The difference betwen the left and the right is actual vs potential freedom.

The right wants to maximize potential freedom. They want you to be able to theoretically do things. Like, if you have the money, you can say whatever you want on whatever outlet you want. You should be theoretically able to broadcast your message in any way you see fit, even if most access to this will only be available to a small few who can actually buy the air time and manipulate the message as they see fit.

The left wants to maximize actual freedom. It doesn't matter if you could potentially buy all the speech you want, if it's only available to an incredibly small few, then those small few will dominate the message.

The right wants you to potentially be able to buy healthcare if you are productive enough, and potentially be able to buy a house, and potentially be able to live a good life. It doesn't matter if that's only realistically avaiable to an increasingly small fraction of the population, as long as the potential is there, that is sufficient.

The left wants you to actually be able to live a good life regardless of circumstance. It is important that everybody have realistic access to the things required to live a good life, even if that comes at the expense of a small portion's theoretical freedom to infinitely merge their company. Everybody should have healthcare, not just potentially be able to access healthcare.



Does that give you a good foundation as to the world I wish to create?


freedom IS potential. humanity will always have individuals who refuse to be limited in such regard. i agree there is a line that simply existing should allow you to a degree of nurture. but some who believe they are entitled to even a little, will progress to believing they are being oppressed by not having their needs met as they define. my observation is that people have vastly different expectations and while the right tries to maintain "freedom" by maintaining the game and managing the line (of worthiness). the left like to endlessly lower that line, while arguing that changing the game will fix it. my fear is, that if the left's dream comes true and everyone is provided for, what evils will be born with such free time. the right at least recognizes that people need purpose, the left may be surprised to find out that telling people they are being provided for adequately, and to reward themselves with the "freedom" to define their own purpose, they will discover ever more demanding people.

the right rewards self-sufficiency, sometimes ignorant of those who aren't capable.
the left rewards dependency, sometimes ignoring the necessity of tangible achievement.

the middle (as it should be), should recognize that we are only as strong as our weakest link. and progress should be measured by how we narrow the line between being dependent on government, and one's capacity to provide for themselves.
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May 24 2022 10:40am
Quote (TiStuff @ May 24 2022 06:07am)
Sioux posts this kind of stuff as a distraction. saying your side also does it trying to shame others into silence. It doesnt work because no pedos are on "my side". I openly say "pedos need to be prosecuted and locked up"
do you notice? ^Sioux isnt around to answer my inquiry?


It's called sleep you dumb fuck. You right wing trolls circle jerk about trans people and gay people being groomers while ignoring actual literal child sex abuse in your own base constantly. It's such transparent projection.
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May 24 2022 10:43am
Quote (WastedPenguinz @ May 24 2022 11:05am)
freedom IS potential


Freedom is not synonymous with potential. You need a realistic capacity to do something for you to actually be free to do it.

Potential + Capacity = Freedom

You can choose to not do something, but if you don't have the real capacity to do so, it isn't actually a choice, and isn't freedom.

For instance, I can potentially go to the moon. If I made enough money and paid a team of engineers to send me there, I might get there. but if I live in a system where there is no reasonable way to do that, then I don't actually have the freedom to go to the moon. None of us do outside a select few.

In a simpler instance, I am free to go buy a hot dog. But if all the hot dog stores hang up signs that say "no blacks", and I am black, and the nearest hotdog vendor that will sell to me is actually 500 miles away, then I am not actually free to go buy a hot dog. I need to be able to actually do it, not just be theoretically able to do it.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on May 24 2022 10:45am
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May 24 2022 10:45am
Quote (Sioux @ May 24 2022 11:40am)
It's called sleep you dumb fuck. You right wing trolls circle jerk about trans people and gay people being groomers while ignoring actual literal child sex abuse in your own base constantly. It's such transparent projection.


Those are tranny pedos too, just typically not open about it.
You can burn all of those as well.
Happy now?
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May 24 2022 11:47am
Quote (sirthom @ May 24 2022 11:45am)
Those are tranny pedos too, just typically not open about it.
You can burn all of those as well.
Happy now?


Like you are astutely aware of, one's bias shows in the time/effort/energy applied to a target. A quick shrug-off of "sure, they're bad, too" applied to your own party's pedophiles every now and then, while spending 25 hours a day screaming about democrat pedophiles, isn't exactly a subtle indicator that all you really care about is owning the libs, not pedophilia. Hope this helps.

(but also, let's not pretend right-wing jsp regulars are anything more than rejects of real-life congregating together in a forgotten basement of the internet to feel less insane than when they interact with regular people)

This post was edited by CheatEngine on May 24 2022 11:52am
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May 24 2022 11:56am
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Like you are astutely aware of, one's bias shows in the time/effort/energy applied to a target. A quick shrug-off of "sure, they're bad, too" applied to your own party's pedophiles every now and then, while spending 25 hours a day screaming about democrat pedophiles, isn't exactly a subtle indicator that all you really care about is owning the libs, not pedophilia. Hope this helps.

(but also, let's not pretend right-wing jsp regulars are anything more than rejects of real-life congregating together in a forgotten basement of the internet to feel less insane than when they interact with regular people)


I'm not on the right and I hate all republicans.
Hope this helps.
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May 24 2022 12:20pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 24 2022 12:43pm)
Freedom is not synonymous with potential. You need a realistic capacity to do something for you to actually be free to do it.

Potential + Capacity = Freedom

You can choose to not do something, but if you don't have the real capacity to do so, it isn't actually a choice, and isn't freedom.

For instance, I can potentially go to the moon. If I made enough money and paid a team of engineers to send me there, I might get there. but if I live in a system where there is no reasonable way to do that, then I don't actually have the freedom to go to the moon. None of us do outside a select few.

In a simpler instance, I am free to go buy a hot dog. But if all the hot dog stores hang up signs that say "no blacks", and I am black, and the nearest hotdog vendor that will sell to me is actually 500 miles away, then I am not actually free to go buy a hot dog. I need to be able to actually do it, not just be theoretically able to do it.


blacks can buy hot dogs. as they should have been and thankfully we've agreed its ridiculous they couldnt.

i want dog meat, but I would need to travel to China. i understand the expense and hurdles between me and dog meat but it isnt fundamental to myself feeling free if I dont get to eat a dog in my lifetime?

in my realm, the blacks gets the far away hotdog if thats their goal and they work hard to achieve it. just like I get my dog meat.

in your realm? everyone gets a ticket to the moon and hot dogs within reach? *keeping in mind its 2022 and blacks get served mostly anywhere without discrimination*

This post was edited by WastedPenguinz on May 24 2022 12:21pm
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