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Ay

What I find interesting is that biologists community would agree that (not everyone of them but seems like a good chunk) would affirm that life begins at conception but it seems to be tossed aside to be debated more on the philosophical side of the issue.

But if I understand the prochoice correctly, it shouldn't even matter if life begins at conceptions and it is indeed a life, the choice of the currently living (the woman) is far more philosophically important or greater than the "baby" in HER womb. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Yes. Things only have value that we assign to them. They do not have inherent value.

I agree. We are gods.

I can't really comment if I agree or disagree but doesn't that mentality set up a dangerous precedence? Like who starts to hand out value to people or things? Or is it just up to individuals?

Isn’t that how it has always been? Value is arbitrary and only holds meaning for those who agree upon the value of an object. Is Elon Musk more valuable than you inherently? No. He only holds more value in the minds of people who agree that fake shit that we mentally assign value to called money makes him inherently more valuable. So in a way, yes, it is a dangerous mental exercise to assign value to others based on arbitrary criteria, because it ultimately results in billions of people mentally enslaving themselves to capital systems that only benefit a few of us for no real reason other than mental agreement. At the same time, assigning value is an instinctual practice of all animals, and humans can’t help but do so. Abortion stops this instinctual nature at the root of the problem by preventing new human filth from being forced into this simulation.

Wouldn't call that supporting abortion.

It gives it in a list, therefore equating abortion to the formers. Thanks for your prolife supporting argument. (but i wouldn't call bible quotes argument proving)

People stabbed by sword = child murder to the ground = unborn removed.

Stating common sense.

So in your ideology.. Power to the masses is the idea here? Because more mass of people give something an arbitrary value, it'll be given value vs if there isn't enough people, then it holds no or very little value. (Since in your opinion, there's no intrinsic value).

So going back to a woman with a desired fetus growing in her body, it has arbitrary value because her desire is what gives the value vs a different woman who does not want the fetus for whatever reason, it has no value because she does not want it.

Once again, correct me if I got something wrong here.

And this is considered a smaet comment from you.

Assuming this is how things always been is dangerous. Forgetting history is dangerous. Believing false history is dangerous.

...no "assigning value" is a... Cultural tendency for convenience, comes and goes.

I call it instead animals make relationships, just like plants and microbes. Things are in relation.

Abortion does stop that relationship nature. And instead of this brand new life with all the opportunity to forget the old accumulated baggage, the human filth (filth is old, rotting, smelly) is allowed to stink and influence with it's years of hoarding.

Let's say your hypothesis is correct, some rich successful doctor, perfect capitalist citizen up until he rapes hundreds of olympians, hypothetically impregnates, it still has a right to live. Both, put the doctor in workprison examining male inmates. Because that scum jizz offspring could have the chance to to prove your hypothesis wrong. Odds, statistics are all analyzed by opinions.

Even like say a child murderer schizo mom and a sociopath tran rapist had a baby in prison, that almost certainly scum bag child could actually have a function and place. It's about utilization more than value. Value is the attempt at efficiency, but value is inherently opinion based.

And last point, genetic diversity of natural selection does not care about our opinions. If a virus kills all us normies and only the schizo sociopaths inherent the earth, then that's how humanity will/maybe has survived because in that filth is normie dna, which can outpace shit dna. The key to progress is to make the environment efficient. Loss of a productive body due to lack of adoption resources is the wrong use of tax dollars.

What if this schizo sociopath invents the next Facebook or Microsoft? You wouldn't wanna miss out on that IPO

You ever play Monopoly? Even in the most capitalist of board games, friendship enders, fighting starters, says in the rules Youngest goes first. The young have priority of best chances to land on the gg light blues and oranges first.