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May 4 2022 08:35pm
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modern societies, however, have overwhelmingly concluded that everyone has a right to bodily self-determination, even women(!) - no matter how much you personally hate that. society's consensus is that abortions are a right, and not "murder".


bro Google exists, your hyperbolic lies will not fly for anyone willing to spare 2 minutes of time

even your own shithole Germany ONLY allows child dismemberment before the second trimester

guess abortion is murder after all, DEBUNKED

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modern societies, however, have overwhelmingly concluded that everyone has a right to bodily self-determination, even women(!) - no matter how much you personally hate that. society's consensus is that abortions are a right, and not "murder".


And maybe this consensus is wrong. Maybe abortion is indeed murder. You dont feel you are wrong because you are surrounded by people who think abortion isn't murder.

Btw, I don't hate women's bodily autonomy. I am a woman myself, lol.
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Persons are the only entities that can be murdered.


Does it say this in the Constitution?

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If you fertilize an embryo in a dish and throw it in the trash, it's not murder.


You meant that it's not a crime that's punishable by law.

In a legal sense, abortion is not murder. But thats only because we have structured our laws in such a way as to make abortion not murder. However, in a philosophical way, it can be argued that abortion is indeed murder. I mean, it's the intentional ending of a human life. How can this not be murder?

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I know we had disagreements in the Russia / Ukraine thread but I have to totally agree with you in this topic.
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May 5 2022 08:37am
the fact that you think women dont consider they're ending a life means you havent really listend to any women who get abortions. maybe 1/20 is callous about it, most feel a lot of regret and shame.
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the fact that you think women dont consider they're ending a life means you havent really listend to any women who get abortions. maybe 1/20 is callous about it, most feel a lot of regret and shame.


I didn't say that. I said that they think nothing of ending a life.

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And maybe this consensus is wrong. Maybe abortion is indeed murder. You dont feel you are wrong because you are surrounded by people who think abortion isn't murder.

Btw, I don't hate women's bodily autonomy. I am a woman myself, lol.


you're free tofeel that way, but it's up to society as a whole to decide that. modern secular societies disagree with your feelings. they decided abortion is a right, and women's bodily autonomy more important than the feelings of religious fundamentalists regarding other people's zygotes and fetuses. they decided it's not the government's right to treat women as second class citizens, and it's unjust that a minority of bigoted zealots is trying (and in large parts of america already de facto HAS for years) to change that and establish taliban rules regarding women, lgbtq+ people, education, religion, race...
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^fender I know we had disagreements in the Russia / Ukraine thread but I have to totally agree with you in this topic.


I don't even know you, but I am pretty sure I don't need to take you seriously. I mean, you were impressed by that?
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I didn't say that. I said that they think nothing of ending a life.


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the fact that you think women dont consider they're ending a life means you havent really listend to any women who get abortions.maybe 1/20 is callous about it, most feel a lot of regret and shame.[


semantically avoiding the point wont change the point of my post.

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you're free tofeel that way, but it's up to society as a whole to decide that. modern secular societies disagree with your feelings. they decided abortion is a right, and women's bodily autonomy more important than the feelings of religious fundamentalists regarding other people's zygotes and fetuses. they decided it's not the government's right to treat women as second class citizens, and it's unjust that a minority of bigoted zealots is trying (and in large parts of america already de facto HAS for years) to change that and establish taliban rules regarding women, lgbtq+ people, education, religion, race...


I see. Society must be right, because they have more people and I am just one person.

Got it.
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