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Apr 29 2022 04:40pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 29 2022 03:27pm)
Sorry, but the claim of connections to Russia has been weaponized too many times in domestic political struggles over the past years. For example, the unverified claim that Trump was compromised by Russia, as well as the ultimately disproven suggestion that he was an outright Russian asset, were deliberately played up (way past the level that the facts and evidence justified) in order to derail Trump's presidency and to constrain his wiggle room on foreign policy. Similarly, evidence for the involvement of the Bidens in shady business dealings in Ukraine was systematically downplayed during the 2020 campaign. So if you ask me, bringing up "muh Russia" as a justification for this new board is a big red flag. Likewise, focusing on the idea that the "counter-disinformation" this board will engage with would reduce the influx of illegal immigrants to the southern border sounds too good to be true. To me, this sounds more like an attempt at sugarcoating a new institution for government propaganda & censorship to the Republican base.



To me, this seems like they are trying to seize an opportunity (Russia's war in Ukraine, R's not wanting to be seen as blocking a measure to curtail illegal immigration ahead of the midterms) to sneak through an expansion of government censorship powers without stirring a public outcry. And like you said, the Republicans are of course pearl clutching hypocrites who would love to (ab)use these powers once they are in charge again.


As someone who is subservient to Russia, I can understand why you would be upset by this. However, you can't deny that Russia seeks to create discord in MANY countries and those countries need tools to combat their tactics (which are unquestionably the best in the world).

I don't think you're familiar with how pervasive dis/misinformation is among the Spanish community. It's REALLY bad out here. For instance, many people in Central America think that you can come here and get access to COVID relief funds. They give their life savings to coyotes and say they will give it back once the COVID relief money comes in (and they split the revenue).

Lastly, you also need to realize that the government DOES NOT have the ability to curtail American speech. You might not know this, but we have something called the 1st amendment and America is one of the freest countries in the world when it comes to speech. We have freedoms that your country can only dream of.
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Apr 29 2022 04:42pm
Or put me in charge I’m pretty fair :banana:


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Twitter:
https://twitter.com/wiczipedia/status/1362153807879303171?s=20&t=z6YPhQNLLNeZPqOSJr00fA

News Outet Link:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-users-tiktok-disinformation-czar-singing-media

The woman in charge is Mary Poppins. That's. Hmm.

I know no embed no watch but its from tiktok then sent to twitter, I can't do all the legwork :)

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Apr 29 2022 04:53pm
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As someone who is subservient to Russia, I can understand why you would be upset by this. However, you can't deny that Russia seeks to create discord in MANY countries and those countries need tools to combat their tactics (which are unquestionably the best in the world).

All well and good, but it doesn't follow that censorship is the kind of tool needed to combat Russian tactics.

Side note: I am not subservient to Russia, I am in favor of the economic sanctions imposed so far as well as the sale of heavy weapons to Ukraine. The only two things I reject are an economically suicidal oil and gas embargo and, you guessed it, censorship.


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I don't think you're familiar with how pervasive dis/misinformation is among the Spanish community. It's REALLY bad out here. For instance, many people in Central America think that you can come here and get access to COVID relief funds. They give their life savings to coyotes and say they will give it back once the COVID relief money comes in (and they split the revenue).

Oh please. Biden could immediately end all of this circus if he held a press conference and said in clear words that coming to the US illegally will not be accepted and will under no circumstances lead to residency, citizenship or any kind of monetary entitlements. He doesn't do that because he's scared of the activist faction within his own party which is dedicated to functionally open borders, and because letting prospective migrants wait in Mexico before their asylum claims or green cards have been processed would admit that Trump was right and Biden was wrong on this issue. The entire messaging of the Biden admin in terms of irregular migration has been completely schizophrenic. "For the love of god, please don't come - but if you do, we'll roll out the red carpet for you".



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Lastly, you also need to realize that the government DOES NOT have the ability to curtail American speech. You might not know this, but we have something called the 1st amendment and America is one of the freest countries in the world when it comes to speech. We have freedoms that your country can only dream of.

:lol: :santa:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 29 2022 04:54pm
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Apr 29 2022 05:04pm
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All well and good, but it doesn't follow that censorship is the kind of tool needed to combat Russian tactics.

Side note: I am not subservient to Russia, I am in favor of the economic sanctions imposed so far as well as the sale of heavy weapons to Ukraine. The only two things I reject are an economically suicidal oil and gas embargo and, you guessed it, censorship.



Oh please. Biden could immediately end all of this circus if he held a press conference and said in clear words that coming to the US illegally will not be accepted and will under no circumstances lead to residency, citizenship or any kind of monetary entitlements. He doesn't do that because he's scared of the activist faction within his own party which is dedicated to functionally open borders, and because letting prospective migrants wait in Mexico before their asylum claims or green cards have been processed would admit that Trump was right and Biden was wrong on this issue. The entire messaging of the Biden admin in terms of irregular migration has been completely schizophrenic. "For the love of god, please don't come - but if you do, we'll roll out the red carpet for you".




:lol: :santa:


I'm sorry, but who said anything about censorship? I haven't read anything indicating that people would be censored but maybe I missed that part.

He has...several times. Hell, I think you even RIDICULED him for telling them not to come (because you didn't think he actually meant it or something along those lines).
It doesn't matter though because, you guessed it, they don't speak fucking English lmao.
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Apr 29 2022 06:55pm
Quote (thundercock @ Apr 29 2022 03:40pm)

I don't think you're familiar with how pervasive dis/misinformation is among the Spanish community. It's REALLY bad out here. For instance, many people in Central America think that you can come here and get access to COVID relief funds. They give their life savings to coyotes and say they will give it back once the COVID relief money comes in (and they split the revenue).


The government has more than enough capability and resources to put a stop to this, but for the same reason we can't get proper border protection, that's never going to happen. Central/South Americans turn red states purple and purple states blue. That one factor determines a great deal of how the entrenched government acts.
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Apr 29 2022 07:14pm
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I'm sorry, but who said anything about censorship? I haven't read anything indicating that people would be censored but maybe I missed that part.

He has...several times. Hell, I think you even RIDICULED him for telling them not to come (because you didn't think he actually meant it or something along those lines).
It doesn't matter though because, you guessed it, they don't speak fucking English lmao.


Biden told illegal migrants to come explicitly during the primary. There's no form of border enforcement that Democrats don't oppose, and in the age of the internet, Central American migrants know it.
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Apr 29 2022 08:01pm
Quote (thundercock @ 30 Apr 2022 01:04)
I'm sorry, but who said anything about censorship? I haven't read anything indicating that people would be censored but maybe I missed that part.

How else is the disinformation governance board gonna counter Russian propaganda? Publish fact checking articles or op-eds and hope that that's gonna convince the type of people who already distrust their own government so much that they'd rather believe Russian propaganda in the first place? :rofl:


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He has...several times. Hell, I think you even RIDICULED him for telling them not to come (because you didn't think he actually meant it or something along those lines).
It doesn't matter though because, you guessed it, they don't speak fucking English lmao.

Oh come on, that's such a lame excuse. The U.S. government has a federal budget of 4.4 billion dollars per year. Do you seriously argue that it would be impossible for them to record Biden's appeal to migrants not to come, add Spanish subtitles or live interpreting to it and disseminate the clip on Latin American TV, radio stations and social media?



I rightfully ridiculed Biden for the brazen duplicity in his messaging. During the Democratic primary, he endorsed various policies which would increase or create pull factors for illegal immigration. During the general election campaign, Biden kept blasting Trump over his allegedly racist, inhumane and cruel border policies. After being sworn in, he rescinded the big majority of Trump's border EOs, including the highly successful "Remain in Mexico"-policy. A couple of months later, when confronted with the predictable surge at the southern border, the Biden admin began backpedaling and urged migrants not to come. This was, of course, just an attempt at controlling the PR damage; even at this point, the Biden admin kept refusing to meaningfully adjust its underlying policies.

Biden and his admin having paid some belated lip service to the idea of "please don't come" does not undo three years of (wider-)open-borders messaging and policies. This has created the fertile ground on which the lies of the coyotes are built. People in Central America only find tales about "just coming to America and being showered in government money" believable in the first place because that's the impression Democrats created with their rhetoric about a "humane", "welcoming" and "fundamentally different from Trump" migration policy. But instead of tackling this root cause of the recent surge, Biden and his admin instead set up a "disinformation board" to treat the symptoms (since that allows them to avoid confronting the open borders activists in their own party).

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 29 2022 08:04pm
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Apr 29 2022 08:52pm
tcock arguing in support of biden’s border policy? someone spiked his arak for sure
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Apr 30 2022 02:53am
"Disinformation Governance Board" that can tell you what to think so you don't have to do the thinking by yourself.
with the biggest boner up to date

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 28 2022 01:42pm)
Lel

1984 Ministry of truth


pretty much my first thought lmao

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"Disinformation Governance Board" that can tell you what to think so you don't have to do the thinking by yourself.
^Saucisson6000 with the biggest boner up to date



pretty much my first thought lmao



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That kind of entity is more likely needed and created during Wars... Stop the "left wing fasicis" whinings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Information_Policy_(Ukraine)

Btw did you know some little shitty antivax fascists thinking old people can just die are messing up the difference ;

"thinking about myself" vs "thinking by myself"
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