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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 22 2022 11:22pm)
I haven't had time to watch so far but I haven't heard anything bad yet. Of all the things Biden has fucked up, this doesn't seem like it will be one. I've said that Amy Coney Barrett hasn't really given me much to work with on how she's turn out, I was very unimpressed with Kagan/Sotomayor being party line non-entities whereas Kavanaugh/Gorsuch distinguished themselves, and I doubt I'll have much opinion on Jackson until a few years from now and we've actually seen her at work. Which we will, because there's no reason to think this will get Bork'd. If anything I'd say what little I've seen is more promising than Kagan/Sotomayor, she's actually taken some principled stands for civil liberties and dispassionate sentencing. Merrick Garland was reported to be the most milquetoast nominee ever and he's LARPing as Lavrentiy Beria right now so I don't know how much we can really predict.

If anything I'll appreciate and enjoy the contrast between Thomas's fervent anti-affirmative action stance and personal history against Jackson's overt benefit from it. Having them on the court at the same time will be neat, though we might wonder 'for how long'


also the best argument against hypocritical Republican blathering over AA is their gushing over Barrett being picked by Trump under a promise to pick a female nominee, and the same folks who praised her turning around and crying foul when Biden promises to pick a black female nominee. You can't have it both ways.


How can you say Jackson benefitted form affirmative action, when according to qualifications she is more qualified than any of the current justices were at this point in their career?

She has done more than any of them by this point in her career, and it was harder because she was a black woman in a world dominated by white men. Its better now, but she would be what, the third black person every to be a SCOTUS in the history of the US? What a sham to say this lol.

It goes to show that some people will always look down on black women and judge their success as gifts from the white man (affirmative action in their view is this), even when this black woman is more than qualified and given no breaks.

ACB benefitted form religious affirmative action more than any other justice benefitted from any other force IMO.

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also the best argument against hypocritical Republican blathering over AA is their gushing over Barrett being picked by Trump under a promise to pick a female nominee, and the same folks who praised her turning around and crying foul when Biden promises to pick a black female nominee. You can't have it both ways.

The GOP can't win elections without appealing to women while it can afford to ingore black voters, it's really as simple as that. One difference, though, is that Barrett was replacing THE female icon of judges, just like Thomas back in the day was replacing THE first and only black SCOTUS judge.

Based on representation grounds, one could argue that a demographic like blacks, which make up one in nine Americans and which are historically underrepresented, deserved some representation on the Supreme Court. Hence, there was a reasonable argument in favor of H.W. Bush specifically nominating a black person to succeed Marshall. Now, however, we're in a situation where about one in nine Americans is black and one in nine SCOTUS judges is black. From a "fair representation" point of view, blacks will actually be quite overrepresented once Brown Jackson is sworn in. Based on representation, quotas or anything like that, there was objectively no need for Biden to narrow his list to exclusively black candidates. He did it to pander to a core constintuency of his party from which he needed enthusiasm and turnout. It's as simple as that.




Quote (thundercock @ 23 Mar 2022 04:29)
The thing is though, even if Biden DIDN'T promise it, most Republicans would say she's an affirmative action pick anyway.

If Biden had considered candidates of various races and genders, then and only then would it be unfair to criticize his pick for being an affirmative action pick. So in this counterfactual where he doesn't promise to nominate a black woman, it would depend on the actual selection process whether such a criticism would be justified or not. Blasting Republicans over a hypothetically hypocritical criticism seems kinda silly, don't you think?

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Also, the most qualified judge is NEVER chosen because age is THE most important when choosing a nominee. The most qualified person, based on experience and ideology, would likely be "too old."

That's a good point I hadn't really thought about. But the argument could easily be adjusted to "the most qualified judge from the 45-55 age range" , so I think that a qualification-based selection would still be possible.


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Anyway, Brown Jackson seems like a really fine pick, so I should prolly stop wasting so much time complaining about the process that led to her nomination. ^_^

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Joe Biden said he would confirm a woman. Yet he didn't consult with a biologist to know that Ketanji Brown Jackson is a woman. She couldn't answer what the definition of a woman was because she said she isn't a biologist. But she wants to be on the highest court in the United States of America.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 22 2022 10:38pm)
This is pretty blatantly just weaponized anti-racism.

You discriminate for hundreds of years, then when somebody says "hey, we kind of have an obligation to make up for it" you say "BUT THAT'S RACIST".

No, dumbass. It's not. It would be racist to ignore the history and pretend everything is equal now just because it says it's equal on paper.


good post.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 22 2022 10:48pm)
Biden did consider everybody. Then he decided to narrow the field based on the historical considerations.

There, your magic words have been disarmed. Be gone with you now.


that one too.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 23 Mar 2022 12:37)
The GOP can't win elections without appealing to women while it can afford to ingore black voters, it's really as simple as that. One difference, though, is that Barrett was replacing THE female icon of judges, just like Thomas back in the day was replacing THE first and only black SCOTUS judge.

Based on representation grounds, one could argue that a demographic like blacks, which make up one in nine Americans and which are historically underrepresented, deserved some representation on the Supreme Court. Hence, there was a reasonable argument in favor of H.W. Bush specifically nominating a black person to succeed Marshall. Now, however, we're in a situation where about one in nine Americans is black and one in nine SCOTUS judges is black. From a "fair representation" point of view, blacks will actually be quite overrepresented once Brown Jackson is sworn in. Based on representation, quotas or anything like that, there was objectively no need for Biden to narrow his list to exclusively black candidates. He did it to pander to a core constintuency of his party from which he needed enthusiasm and turnout. It's as simple as that.





If Biden had considered candidates of various races and genders, then and only then would it be unfair to criticize his pick for being an affirmative action pick. So in this counterfactual where he doesn't promise to nominate a black woman, it would depend on the actual selection process whether such a criticism would be justified or not. Blasting Republicans over a hypothetically hypocritical criticism seems kinda silly, don't you think?


That's a good point I hadn't really thought about. But the argument could easily be adjusted to "the most qualified judge from the 45-55 age range" , so I think that a qualification-based selection would still be possible.


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Anyway, Brown Jackson seems like a really fine pick, so I should prolly stop wasting so much time complaining about the process that led to her nomination. ^_^


you never should have started in the first place, considering how the previous three picks were made, which you spent days defending...
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dumb monster does not know what a woman is

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I don't know much about how she'll vote. Probably a moderate lefty. But she's definitely going to be confirmed.

Quote (Mondain @ Mar 22 2022 06:31pm)
If one picks from a "pool of black women" then they can not pick a white person. which means they are "discrimination against white candidates"


Skinned has the debate tactic "say whatever you want and pretend that its real REALLY REALLY HARD"

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If this was AOC, Bernie, Macron, etc. you'd be licking their boots.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 22 2022 06:36pm)
Opposite of racism is considering everyone, brown, black, white, and so on, not only choosing from a group that has been historically underrepresented.




Fact check....


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