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Dec 9 2021 06:30pm
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They only see one side and their problems what about the employers who have to put up with all kinds of bs from the workers, under delivering and under performing, not coming in on time, abusing company time getting paid for posting nonsense on jsp while they should be working, stealing.

Not saying there are perfect business owners the point is people are dicks on either side.
The point is if the employees dont like their conditions/pay they negotiate for a raise or leave
likewise The employers don't like their employers underperforming or stealing then they can negotiate/discipline or just fire someone


These idiots instead of being adults decide to strike, wave signs, post tweets and in general cry like babies. Anything but try and solve the problem


Employers create metrics that are physically impossible so that they can deny bonuses by claiming "underperformance".

Employers don't care about you, and they have no reason to play fair. The only negotiating tool against them is threatening them with annihilation via the law or legal protest.
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Dec 9 2021 06:41pm
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Employers create metrics that are physically impossible so that they can deny bonuses by claiming "underperformance".

Employers don't care about you, and they have no reason to play fair. The only negotiating tool against them is threatening them with annihilation via the law or legal protest.


I've worked in several big companies before deciding to being my own boss. Never had any problems, Asked for a pay raise and got it. Got lots of free training and certificates. The pay wasn't great but I knew exactly what I signed up for.
Bonuses are a motivational carrot, one should never rely or make it a sole reason to work for that company. No one even told me there are bonuses is that some new Gen Z concept?

Employers usually don't care about you is because you are a worker bee just like the rest of the people there. You are there to perform a function. If you want a caring employer make a family business and only family

This post was edited by addone on Dec 9 2021 06:43pm
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Dec 9 2021 06:43pm
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They only see one side and their problems what about the employers who have to put up with all kinds of bs from the workers, under delivering and under performing, not coming in on time, abusing company time getting paid for posting nonsense on jsp while they should be working, stealing.

Not saying there are perfect business owners the point is people are dicks on either side.
If the employees dont like their conditions/pay they negotiate for a raise or leave
likewise The employers don't like their employers underperforming or stealing then they can negotiate/discipline or just fire someone


These idiots instead of being adults decide to strike, wave signs, post tweets and in general cry like babies. Anything but try and solve the problem


You do realize kellogs is a multi billion dollar empire right, the employees made them that, not the ceo or the board of directors.
A single person has ZERO bargaining power.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 9 2021 06:44pm
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Dec 9 2021 06:54pm
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You do realize kellogs is a multi billion dollar empire right, the employees made them that, not the ceo or the board of directors.
A single person has ZERO bargaining power.


you ever tried to ask for a raise once in your life or you just armchairing this one again?
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Dec 9 2021 06:56pm
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you ever tried to ask for a raise once in your life or you just armchairing this one again?


I was the guy denying the raises.
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Dec 9 2021 07:03pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 9 2021 07:30pm)
Employers create metrics that are physically impossible so that they can deny bonuses by claiming "underperformance".

Employers don't care about you, and they have no reason to play fair. The only negotiating tool against them is threatening them with annihilation via the law or legal protest.


Vouch

Good luck getting a great/excellent/outstanding review

I did push to get one of my guys promoted and it worked tho
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#47
Dec 9 2021 07:09pm
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I was the guy denying the raises.


So that's not what I asked, even if you ever were denying the raises does that mean you never asked for a raise yourself. Or did you deny your own raise?
When I asked for a small raise I had a good reason and was able to demonstrate my extra contribution to the company. And i got it after only 1 year of working there as an assistant manager. If i stayed there eventually would of become a manager and then regional staff manager etc along with pay increases.

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Dec 9 2021 07:26pm
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So that's not what I asked, even if you ever were denying the raises does that mean you never asked for a raise yourself. Or did you deny your own raise?
When I asked for a small raise I had a good reason and was able to demonstrate my extra contribution to the company. And i got it after only 1 year of working there as an assistant manager. If i stayed there eventually would of become a manager and then regional staff manager etc along with pay increases.


In management you get the raise, its the employees that only get one in line with cpi.
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#49
Dec 9 2021 07:27pm
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I was the guy denying the raises.


You were the winner in this scenario. You may have to explain it to St. Peter, but you were the winner in the end.

Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 9 2021 08:03pm)
Vouch

Good luck getting a great/excellent/outstanding review

I did push to get one of my guys promoted and it worked tho


The incentives are weird. If the senior management feels like they can bend you into the shape of their designs, they will invest just enough in you to prevent you from quitting. But it's foolish to think that they care about you.
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Dec 9 2021 08:19pm
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You were the winner in this scenario. You may have to explain it to St. Peter, but you were the winner in the end.



The incentives are weird. If the senior management feels like they can bend you into the shape of their designs, they will invest just enough in you to prevent you from quitting. But it's foolish to think that they care about you.


I have found 3 yearly job changes are always better than asking for a raise or a promotion once you hit a decent level.
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