Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 8 2022 08:01am)
There's more than one facet to the argument. There's the question of whether it should be law, and whether it is law.
I think the best argument against tolerance and accommodation isn't made theoretically, its looking at how the current wave of soft-on-crime measures has blown up in our faces. We've seen how an overly zealous and militant war on drugs can be self-defeating, but we've also seen how decriminalization, sentencing reform and 'harm reduction' initiatives can greatly worsen the harm in practice. There has to be some sane middle road, and I'm not sure legal injection sites and handing out crack pipes is the right path forward on that. Its all well and good in theory when well-meaning medical staff are caring for drug addicts and shepherding them to going clean. Then you feed it through the woodchipper that is implementation of public policy and social services and watch as uncaring social workers dodge bullets while let violent drug gangs operate with impunity on government sanctioned turf.
But that takes a back seat to the question of what the law actually is. And its a pretty spectacular irony to watch Biden's DoJ twist and contort to try to justify overturning its own decades of legal interpretations of a plain text that Joe Biden himself presented with impassioned diatribes, "I'd throw the building owner in jail too!". So it boils down to Biden tasking Merrick Garland with simply failing to enforce something that is clearly against the law, without any coherent pretense, falling back on the oldest trick in the book: Silence.
If you're asking what the law is kiddo you'll have to start with Socrates and I agree with Thrasymachus in that exchange.
We have a living Constitution and each state's Constitution is a living document. They are literally words we put on paper to SERVE us.
I think it is a feature of black and white thinking that gets people so stuck on vernacular and they get stuck on what they think words mean as if they objectively exist and aren't meaningful noises we make.
You're like "But what is and isn't the law" and I would say that is some black and white thinking in the first place.
A lesson:
There are many types of laws. Thermodynamics is a natural law for example. The law we are talking about is Positive law. Positive law is based on the verb Posit, which means "to put forth".
The very first legal codes were in Greece, to stop blood feuds between families, and a dictator named Draco created a code, the Draconian Code, that was Put Forth as law.
Law itself means the installation of a great power who will visit some great evil upon somebody for acting a certain way. It was king that would chop off your hand, now it is a judge who will kidnap you and put you in a cage, because mental and emotional torture is envisioned as more humane than corporal punishment in the current legal and psychosocial paradigm.
But the centralized great evil that will harm anyone who acts a certain way is the basis of all positive law. As society changes the expectation changes as well.
I don't know what to tell you except your argument is with time and being itself and a belief that the law is static. Laws in America are selectively enforced and punished as well, and that is a widely well known and accepted fact so I'm not going to argue about the sky being blue or the dirt being made of dirt. This is another example of laws being selectively enforced.
An example of laws changing: Women used to not have the right to vote. Women vote now. When women were trying to vote people were yelling "that's illegal".
Fuck man, the people who tried to keep black people out of schools are trying to ban teachers from telling students that they did that.
Which gets back to my overall point: Thrasymachus was right, the law is a tool of the powerful to bend the world to their will.
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 8 2022 08:00am)
I expected that deflection why are you so dishonest lol.
Don't abuse painkillers or better yet avoid them as much as you possibly can. And forget about heroin bud unless you're tired of life. How's that for common sense huh
grownups are talking
This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 8 2022 07:01pm