https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Before you say, what does FOIA have to do with this? Guess what can be found in those documents.

Now, if it takes 55 years to get all the documents, guess you out of luck because you can't sue them if you get disabled from the vaccine and there won't be any LEGAL document pointing out that kind of shit for the next 55 years.

People in 2021...

Natural selection at it's best.

The #1 job of a vaccine is to prevent or reduce disease in the host. Reducing transmissability has always been just a side bonus. No clinical trial for vaccine approval has ever been done with the goal of assessing transmission AFAIK.

Fear was not the underlying reason for hospitals being full. The fact that COVID IS A DEADLY DISEASE IN 2% OF THE POPULATION IF LEFT UNTREATED is why they were full. Hospitals don't take people in and keep them there if they aren't at risk of serious affliction. Come into the ER and say "I had a positive test but my only symptom is the sniffles" and you get put to the back of the line and wait hours to days to be seen.

Similarly, the issue is almost never shortage of workers. The issue is typically that you can handle current load. If you need more workers you hire travel nurses at a premium. That's one of the reasons why hospitals actually don't like working at capacity. Travel doctors and nurses are way more expensive than your regular staff.

I did not say what you said in more words. I may have said what you meant to say, but not what you actually said.

I did not say the same thing as you in more words. You said things that are demonstrably untrue, I corrected you.

credit scores already exist in america

So not what you said. The FDA wants to release 500 pages at a time, as it's currently over-burdened with requests.

"The FDA proposes releasing 500 pages per month on a rolling basis, noting that the branch that would handle the review has only 10 employees and is currently processing about 400 other FOIA requests."

Pretty stark difference from "they are trying to hide the data for 55 years" when their proposal is to start the release immediately and fulfill it over time.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 21 2021 07:26pm

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Nothing gets past you.

Can we both agree it's very fortunate and also voluntary from them to take all that time and request 55 years? Be honest with me here, who win from this deal? The multi billionaire or the people?

Will at any point you agree that this whole situation is a scam and literally burdening the people class over the leaders / elite / corporations of this country?

I agree i was 50/50 on the subject and should've made it more clear because it seems you need 100% of the correct data nowadays for someone to understand where your point might lead.

OR do you side with the Government on this one and pat the Gov, Vax agencies, FDA, and Corporations on the back for a "Good" job handling the pandemic that affect the weak links in our society?

As a man of science, do you think it's the best judgment to risk the whole planet health from potential side effect to save the weak / people who already lived enough that bring less and less contribution versus how much it cost to have them around.

As a man of science, it's pretty trivial for me to calculate the total damage Covid would have done if left unchecked, and it would have been economy-shattering. You don't get to say "we can ignore it because it only impacts the weak" and then define "weak" as 80% of the population. Oh, we can just let 80% of the population have serious symptoms all at the same time? Cool story. Have fun with your mass starvation, mass burials, and riots in the streets. Oh you grow your own food? Cool story. Everybody's gonna be descending on your garden in a few days because supply lines completely shut down for 3 months. Good luck repelling them all. Your superiority doesn't really mean anything when society collapses. Individuals can't really do anything meaningful for or to the world. You need others to build your computer, write your books, make your guns, give you your seeds, etc. etc. Everything you plant was built by society. Go back 500 years and your vegetables produce 1/100th the harvest because we hadn't engineered them to be so plentiful. That's why famines used to be common.


You're making a bunch of disconnected and contradictory points and then trying to claim superiority, when in reality it's pretty easy to put together the whole picture and realize society wide action was necessary, and your "superiority" is just a coping mechanism for being sub-par.


I think we should be able to sue the government for taking excessive time on document requests. Don't like it? Allocate more funding. The judiciary should be able to essentially fine an agency and congress for not allocating sufficient funds to carry out their own laws. We need a mechanism to make them enforce it. The post office was a great example of where we should have been able to sue the government for intentionally slowing down voting to benefit one political party.


I side with whoever is right. In this case the FDA is right, and whoever allocates funding and staffing is wrong and needs to allocate more.

What will it cost the system to keep these weak people afloat against every single virus thrown at them without their cooperation?

Will we close the country every new strong flu strains? Will we close the country every time their health are at risk? If so, is it really worth crushing the economy for the weak ? Why not do like most animals and discard the weak to not slow the pack instead?

Should we force them to obtain a specific weight / bodymass or be punished like the non vaxxed where they can't go out in most public places as a motivator to become healthy or at least force them to have 2 hours exercise session and not exceed 1.5k calories a day. If they do that, they can go out.

From there, we'd get the pop healthier thus costing less to the system.

As from funding to the fda. They already print billions (They being the elite/corporations/corrupt politcians for their own benefits, why not print a little more for the people this time? Or instead of using our taxes to drop bomb on civilians abroad, we could use a little % of that to fund the fda.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Nov 21 2021 07:45pm

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