Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 6 2021 05:20pm)

But that's like collective punishment. Yes you made it sound like a good thing by using the words "lift up oppressed communities" but it just boils down to, take money from white people and give it to black people, even though the government is supposed to be color-blind and its job is to care for all citizens.

I am not disagreeing that successive governments have to atone for the wrongs done by previous governments, because this is also how things are done in my country. For example, we give money to wrongfully interned Japanese canadians, even though it was done by a different government from a different time period. But something about it just bothers me. The people who put them in camps are long gone, they are most likely all dead. Why should the present-day government have to give out reparations, which is money taken from present-day white people, who have nothing to do with the internment?

I admit that there have been some racist laws and policies, however, I feel that regular people should not have to pay for the mistakes and wrongdoings of their government.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 6 2021 03:24pm)

The people MUST pay for the wrongdoings of their government if the government is their representatives. Who else is there? They put them in power, and they reap the rewards, good and bad.



Imagine you start a race. One guy stabs the other. The ref stops the race, and says "Okay, we are going to start over, and we are going to give the guy with a stab wound time to heal, and you're going to pay for the medical treatment". You then respond with "But the ref is supposed to treat all racers equally. Why does this guy get extra and that guy get punished?" See, makes no sense.

Now imagine it's a relay race, and the ref doesn't stop the race until it's the fourth person in the relay. You say "Why are they punishing the fourth racer when it was the first racer that did the deed"

Now imagine the ref didn't stop the race, and only after it was revealed, and the committee overseeing the race says "We are going to restart the race, but the team with the player who stabbed the other gets a penalty". Same thing

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 6 2021 05:36pm)

Your analogy doesn't work, because I don't see the different races of Americans as competing against each other in a race. They are all a part of the same country and they work, or should work, towards a common goal. Also, yes the racer who stabbed another player should pay for his medical treatment. But his kids should not have to pay for any treatment, because they (the stabber's children) did not stab anyone.

Also, you did not ask my question. Why should present-day Canadians pay money to the wrongfully interned Japanese Canadians? They have nothing to do with the internment.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 6 2021 03:39pm)

You specifically call for separation of races and for whites to look after their own race above others.

What is this bullshit about "I don't see it as a separate race". You are so full of shit lol.

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 6 2021 05:46pm)

You are trying to change the topic.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 6 2021 03:47pm)

I am not. I am calling you out for being a blatant liar.

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 6 2021 05:47pm)

Meh.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 6 2021 03:53pm)

If the stabber won a monetary prize, and passed it to his kids, then at minimum the kids should pay back the amount of the prize. If your parents steal from a bank and die, you still don't get to keep the funds once its discovered.

Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 6 2021 05:56pm)

You actually mentioned something that I hadn't thought of. You said, "passed it to his kids", which is an if. Maybe the stabber spent the prize and did not leave any of it to his children. I know this isn't highly probable but it's possible.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 6 2021 04:01pm)

It's not like we're going to track down all the beneficiaries and tax them specifically.

We should just do it as a country.

The government enabled the system in the first place, make the government pay, and maybe we will be more conscious of the consequences in the future.