We can agree on this at least.

im not even close to vegan, fyi, your counter argument to veganism was simply a bad one.

a far better one is animal death from agricultural farming that vegans en masse still participate in through their lifestyle.

i'd venture that even if i raised 100 chickens and killed them all for meat, which ive done in past years, i kill less animals than many city dwelling vegans. because i grow a large portion of our vegetables each year in my garden and store them for winter.

Vegans are powerless to change agricultural farming though. So they do what they can.

no, they aren't. they can buy only from local growers. not all of them of course but many could. or do extra research on growers to find the least immoral one. or grow their food themselves pesticide free.

or they could be real men about it and grow and kill their own meat, look an animal in the eye before it dies and thank it for it's sacrifice and try and give it the best life they can before that point. most vegans ive met disassociate from animal death out of moral superiority, because animal death is a taboo to them, because they've not ever killed an animal.

Did you heard about a meat industry complex? We slaughter thousands of animals daily, and we breed them just so they can be slaughtered as soon as possible. This is no different.

I actually don't have a problem with killing animals. It's inflicting suffering that I object to on moral grounds. If there is very quick, painless way to kill an animal, say, very accurate shooting, then I don't have a problem with meat-eating.

I am against this too.

my freezer has chickens i killed before they even saw the knife, next to venison i shot and she fell over without taking a step, next to pasture raised beef killed instantly. i too am against factory farming.

Don't buy or eat anything kosher then.

Even if they don't understand the mechanism it's an obvious case of chemotaxis. Same way white blood cells find bacteria in a flask.