It doesn’t pay for itself. God the stupidity is strong with the left.

Manchin gets a say by virtue of the fact that the Democratic party needs his vote. If they wanted to pass bills without his vote, they probably should have won more elections.

That’s because you don’t understand what the left is. You’re an idiot that likes to make up fairy tale sides of political views to back your own view point, but in reality you’re just an idiot.

wow, how clairvoyant, you got a bit of nostradamus in you. in your mouth mostly.

Pretty much this. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to pass something when you have the slimmest of majorities.

1. Good job, you googled the narrow definition of what pork barreling is. It's pretty obvious that I didn't mean funding for local projects but rather funding for partisan spending.
2. The spending bill, debt ceiling, infrastructure bill, etc, etc are all related. You're quite naïve if you think these skirmishes are all independent of each other. Even Pelosi acknowledges this, so not sure why you need to defend it.



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/03/august-jobs-report-biden-urges-congress-to-pass-economic-bills.html

3. Yes, as your choice champions put it "an investment in human infrastructure" or in other words, spend money on a bunch of social programs.

I find it kind of hilarious that you repeatedly claim to be a conservative yet reflexively feel the need to defend their positions on here and adopt their perspective on most issues. You're like the perfect republican according to Democrats.

I want the right to be, you know, right. The link I posted is not a "narrow definition," it's THE definition. It's literally derived from the phrase "bringing home the bacon." Just because you think the spending is wasteful, expensive, etc. doesn't mean it's pork. That's like saying welfare is pork. Just call it what it is: wasteful, unnecessary spending.

No, they aren't all related (but the infrastructure and 3.5 trillion bill are coupled for political reasons). The 3.5T bill WILL fail whereas the infrastructure bill will very likely pass. IMO, the 3.5T will be cut down by a trillion at a minimum, probably more. The progressives are screwing themselves because all they care about is the number as opposed to the actual programs. Based on your response, it seemed that you thought they were the SAME bill. You said people should "read the 3.5T bill" but that's impossible because it doesn't exist yet because not everything is out of committee. The way you were talking suggested that you thought everything was a single bill.

The debt ceiling is for past spending which includes Trump and Biden's massive COVID stimulus. The only way that's related to the 3.5T bill is because they both involve reconciliation. The spending bill that just passed both chambers has nothing to do with the other two bills and is a way to prevent a government shutdown. It's loosely related to the debt-ceiling because Dems wanted to combine the two. Now, that's no longer the case because the Republicans forced their hand.

I'm not "defending the position of the Democrats" either. I'm just correcting any misconceptions.

Just as true 10 years later.

Per Oxford Dict, literally the first thing that pops up on google. Yes, you are using an outdated and narrow definition.



You don't need the actual bill or to be sherlock homes to derive what's in. There are plenty of online news outlets that give back of the napkin dollar figures of how that 3.5 T will be broken up.

I don't understand how you can say they aren't related when Pelosi literally says the opposite and then pretending this shit happening with the debt ceiling is happening in a vacuum that has nothing to do with the other stuff. It's not reality mate.

Dude...that's like calling your Toyota Tundra a Fiat. Yea, they are both vehicles but they are different things. Anyone who uses pork as "spending that I don't like" is an idiot. The same applies to liberals who call DARPA funding pork.

It seems like you just don't understand what Pelosi is saying then.

Btw, you never answered my question about what the top 4 things are in the 3.5T bill. Can you do it without looking it up? If not, do you really think you should be having this discussion so unequipped?