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Not my idea. Robert Heinlein:

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Lockdowns were never needed if we had a competent response early on. Mass mask distribution, sanitizer production, and basic distancing would have all but wiped out Covid in a few months and likely would have contained it to the point we wouldn't have significant variants.


This is speculation.
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I remember being 13. Good times.


Dude, you constantly pass judgment on others, calling someone an idiot and calling me stupid, lazy and a whole bunch of other stuff. You also get offended very easily and anytime someone contradicts you, you see it as a personal attack on you and then you lash out. You are the last one to claim any sense of maturity.

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That's interesting. I didn't know that the mink incident had been confirmed to reinfect humans.

Lockdowns were never needed if we had a competent response early on. Mass mask distribution, sanitizer production, and basic distancing would have all but wiped out Covid in a few months and likely would have contained it to the point we wouldn't have significant variants.

We failed as a species. These aren't "hard" in the sense that they likely would have saved us more money than shutdowns cost us, but they were "hard" in that it requires cooperation and good faith. We failed on that front.


I absolutely cannot see how you arrive at this assessment. Can you point me to a single example of a country that got to zero community transmission after an outbreak with contact tracing, masking and some mild forms of distancing alone? Not even South Korea, a de facto island which did all these things as good as you can, got to an average lower than 6 cases per day (in early May 2020). From that point on, despite all their efforts, cases rose again to 30- to 40-ish cases per day.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

If isolated South Korea was not able to stamp out the virus with these tools in spite of using contact tracing technology which would be unconstitutional (and wholly unacceptable to the people) in NA and EU, I don't see how that's supposed to work on a global scale.
The only chance we imho had to eradicate the virus was before it spread out of China on a large scale. Once it reached places like India, Africa or Latin America, it was game over for the idea of eradicating the virus.

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I absolutely cannot see how you arrive at this assessment. Can you point me to a single example of a country that got to zero community transmission after an outbreak with contact tracing, masking and some mild forms of distancing alone? Not even South Korea, a de facto island which did all these things as good as you can, got to an average lower than 6 cases per day (in early May 2020). From that point on, despite all their efforts, cases rose again to 30- to 40-ish cases per day.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

If isolated South Korea was not able to stamp out the virus with these tools in spite of using contact tracing technology which would be unconstitutional (and wholly unacceptable to the people) in NA and EU, I don't see how that's supposed to work on a global scale.
The only chance we imho had to eradicate the virus was before it spread out of China on a large scale. Once it reached places like India, Africa or Latin America, it was game over for the idea of eradicating the virus.


new zealand did the best job for any country, but obviously has the advantage of being a literal island that can close off.
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Dude, you constantly pass judgment on others, calling someone an idiot and calling me stupid, lazy and a whole bunch of other stuff. You also get offended very easily and anytime someone contradicts you, you see it as a personal attack on you and then you lash out. You are the last one to claim any sense of maturity.


the guy removed all doubt
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new zealand did the best job for any country, but obviously has the advantage of being a literal island that can close off.


Even they had a months-long lockdown in the spring of 2020 to get back down to zero. Yes, from that point on, they could exploit their remoteness to keep the virus out until Delta arrived over a year later - but even NZ is not an example of what thor was describing, namely wiping out the virus with masks, contact tracing and distancing alone.

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Even they had a months-long lockdown in the spring of 2020 to get back down to zero. Yes, from that point on, they could exploit their remoteness to keep the virus out until Delta arrived over a year later - but even NZ is not an example of what thor was describing, namely wiping out the virus with masks, contact tracing and distancing alone.


To be fair, if there was a plan that would 100% wipe it out, and we could empirically prove it with science ahead of time, it would never work in america because there's zero chance people would go along with it, no matter what it was.

i could literally be "drink 1 glass of water daily" and mountain dew drinking kentucky hillbillies would say fuck off and pour water out in the streets in protest.
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Repeal EMTALA.
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i could literally be "drink 1 glass of water daily" and mountain dew drinking kentucky hillbillies would say fuck off and pour water out in the streets in protest.


And instead of being indignant, maybe you want to ask yourself why some people have so little faith in you and people like you.

Maybe people like you have lost all credibility?
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