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Sep 5 2021 01:37pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 5 2021 12:32pm)
Vaccines are not in the same class as food. You can live without vaccines but you can't live without food.

Besides, if a processed food truly has some strange ingredient in it, then the best thing to do is not eat it.



That wasn’t your point you based your position on not knowing “ingredients” therefore you should stop ingesting almost everything. Unless you search YouTube first of course
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Sep 5 2021 01:39pm
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the difference is we know exactly what's in an mRNA vaccine.


If you work in the health-care field or are trained in the biological sciences, then perhaps. But for the rest of us, we do not know. And this is a fact.

Also, mRNA vaccines can be unsafe. There has been discovery that unlike what scientists previously thought, mRNAs can re-write DNA sequences. So much for your safe vaccines.

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There's still undiscovered compounds in apples.


These compounds in apples would be more appropriately called nutrients or components. They would not be called ingredients because the word ingredient is more reserved for man-made concoctions.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 5 2021 02:05pm
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Sep 5 2021 01:39pm
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I refuse to answer your hypothetical question because I don't see the point of it.

Besides, refusing vaccines is not the same as refusing treatment at a hospital, but please keep coming up with different scenarios.


I think you don't want to answer because you're aware of the logical conclusions that your "If you don't know what's in it, then you shouldn't take it" goes when applied to the real-world. You'd be fine to not take the vaccine because you "don't know what's in it" while having virtually no reservations about taking in-hospital treatments should you get acutely ill despite also not knowing what's in, for instance, monoclonal antibody treatments.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 5 2021 12:37pm)
That wasn’t your point you based your position on not knowing “ingredients” therefore you should stop ingesting almost everything. Unless you search YouTube first of course


Something in a naturally occurring food product such as apples would be more appropriately called a component or a nutrient. The word "ingredient" is more reserved for man-made concoctions, which is what vaccines are.

Do you seriously mean to tell me that allowing unknown, foreign substances to be injected into your body via a hypodermic syringe is as safe as eating an apple?
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Sep 5 2021 01:44pm
Stop eating, your GMO food is full of pesticides
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I think you don't want to answer because you're aware of the logical conclusions that your "If you don't know what's in it, then you shouldn't take it" goes when applied to the real-world.


No, but I addressed it somewhat.

"Refusing vaccines is not the same as refusing treatment at a hospital".

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You'd be fine to not take the vaccine because you "don't know what's in it" while having virtually no reservations about taking in-hospital treatments should you get acutely ill despite also not knowing what's in, for instance, monoclonal antibody treatments.


I will reply to your post in earnest because you seem sincere in wishing to engage me in a discussion, unlike the many trolls in this thread.

You are correct, for patients in a hospital, they are also allowing unknown substances to be put into their bodies. However, there are differences between that and taking the vaccines. For one thing, refusing hospital treatments can make one more ill. Or maybe even die. But refusing vaccines won't make one ill or die. Secondly, hospital staff don't go around buying up ad spaces on youtube, or advertise everywhere on facebook, on tv, everywhere you can think of. This is called vaccine-pushing, and it makes me extremely suspicious. Call me paranoid if you want. Thirdly, the current covid vaccines are rushed out without adequate testing. There can be serious long-term side-effects that we are not aware of. The same thing cannot be said about drugs in a hospital. The latter have been tested and used for quite some time. And finally, there is this very troubling sense that I get about the vaccines, although I am sure you will call me a conspiracy theorist---I believe that some real scientists have been voicing concerns about these vaccines but they are being silenced. This is some ominous shit to me.

So yes, I did say don't allow foreign substances into our bodies, but it's more than just that. The main message I want people to take away is, don't trust our governments blindly.
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Sep 5 2021 01:57pm
Quote (Pari @ Sep 5 2021 12:44pm)
Stop eating, your GMO food is full of pesticides

Nice satire. Very clever.
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Sep 5 2021 02:13pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 5 2021 12:54pm)
I will reply to your post in earnest because you seem sincere in wishing to engage me in a discussion, unlike the many trolls in this thread.

You are correct, for patients in a hospital, they are also allowing unknown substances to be put into their bodies. However, there are differences between that and taking the vaccines. For one thing, refusing hospital treatments can make one more ill. Or maybe even die. But refusing vaccines won't make one ill or die. Secondly, hospital staff don't go around buying up ad spaces on youtube, or advertise everywhere on facebook, on tv, everywhere you can think of. This is called vaccine-pushing, and it makes me extremely suspicious. Call me paranoid if you want. Thirdly, the current covid vaccines are rushed out without adequate testing. There can be serious long-term side-effects that we are not aware of. The same thing cannot be said about drugs in a hospital. The latter have been tested and used for quite some time. And finally, there is this very troubling sense that I get about the vaccines, although I am sure you will call me a conspiracy theorist---I believe that some real scientists have been voicing concerns about these vaccines but they are being silenced. This is some ominous shit to me.

So yes, I did say don't allow foreign substances into our bodies, but it's more than just that. The main message I want people to take away is, don't trust our governments blindly.


Monoclonal antibody treatments were given Emergency Use Authorization just as the initial vaccines were, and the treatment is still under EUA. The Pfizer vaccine has full FDA approval. So, your point about the "vaccines being rushed without adequate testing" and how this "cannot be said about the drugs/treatments used in hospitals" is not supported by evidence.

I'm not calling you a conspiracy theorist, and I'm also not attempting to change your mind regarding vaccine safety and and efficacy. All I'm pointing out is that your argument about "You shouldn't take the vaccine because you don't know what's in it" is a poor argument and very unscientific.
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Sep 5 2021 02:26pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 5 2021 02:39pm)
If you work in the health-care field or are trained in the biological sciences, then perhaps. But for the rest of us, we do not know. And this is a fact.

Also, mRNA vaccines can be unsafe. There has been discovery that unlike what scientists previously thought, mRNAs can re-write DNA sequences. So much for your safe vaccines.



These compounds in apples would be more appropriately called nutrients or components. They would not be called ingredients because the word ingredient is more reserved for man-made concoctions.


How something gets there doesnt matter.

Please cite the part about rewriting DNA
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