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#41
Aug 30 2021 07:59am
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 30 2021 09:49am)
vaccine testing involves 2 things, sample size and time.

sample size in testing phases is hundreds or thousands of people, from which we get some small data on side effects. rather than this we have millions of people with the vaccine, and have better data on side effects. statistically we have a far better test in sample size than the FDA ever got in any testing ever.

time we dont have, but we have to ask "what could be the years long long term negative side effects". a vaccine, as compared to something for example that might change your blood pressure or heart rate, has relatively few if any by comparison. the reason we need people on heart medicine for years on end before its given to the population is that it could take years for adverse effects to develop. doctors are stating on the vaccine side these long term life altering negative effects are non existent.

but if u want to wait years to get a vaccine that hundreds of millions of people are walking around with, that's your freedom. im just curious what "real" vaccines and vaccine testing looks like to you.



Historically, five years
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Aug 30 2021 08:07am
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Historically, five years


That 5 years includes a fraction of the sample size. Long term side effects don't magically appear at 5 years. They are just hard to spot early in smaller sample sizes because they are unlikely to occur at all.

Also that 5 years isn't due to safety data needing time to appear. In a typical trial you will spend most of your time recruiting. That 5 years is so you can get enough people enrolled not so you can see effects across 5 years.
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Aug 30 2021 08:21am
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Historically, five years


ive asked before to others and gotten no responses other than "mrna is gonna rot ur DNA and replace with reptile genes". but what adverse side effects from the covid vaccines could/would take 5 years to present themselves?
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Aug 30 2021 08:27am
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Juke the fluke worm jab & it's mind-body altering consequences.
let he who hath wisdom calculate.


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Aug 30 2021 08:36am
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ive asked before to others and gotten no responses other than "mrna is gonna rot ur DNA and replace with reptile genes". but what adverse side effects from the covid vaccines could/would take 5 years to present themselves?


Miscarriages and chronic immune or neuromuscular effects.

The creator of mRNA said the two biggest risks are immune response complications and the creation of misfolded proteins - prions. Prions are some pf the nastiest things in the world - mad cow disease and fatal familial insomnia, no treatment or cure for either.
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Aug 30 2021 09:04am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 30 2021 09:36am)
Miscarriages and chronic immune or neuromuscular effects.

The creator of mRNA said the two biggest risks are immune response complications and the creation of misfolded proteins - prions. Prions are some pf the nastiest things in the world - mad cow disease and fatal familial insomnia, no treatment or cure for either.


https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-no-evidence-that-pfizers-covi/fact-check-no-evidence-that-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-causes-alzheimers-disease-idUSL1N2MZ382

it would appear claims this is possible are not well sourced, unless there are others claiming this with more robust methodology.

perhaps this is more of a risk with more long term mrna technology that seeks to create changes that replicate long term, as compared to covid which is:

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The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine uses new messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, which contains brief genetic instructions for human cells to temporarily manufacture proteins that mimic a small part of the novel coronavirus.


personally i think mrna if seriously expanded on could indeed cause some bad issues down the road, doesnt seem likely this is the case here.

immune response could be directly effected by mrna involvement, at least my non doctor brain could see that logically, given that this system is the target for the mrna vaccine. but unless i have a doctor stating that in a well sourced and then critiqued paper im not going to back seat doctor on that. you have given an answer where most dont even try tho.

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Aug 30 2021 09:27am
Quote (Skinned @ Aug 30 2021 02:07am)
Our hospital called disaster code last week because we were completely full of people who didn't get the free vaccine. A lot of them are dying. Hard to be sympathetic at this point since it is an elective disease.

After a year of this I'm pretty checked out.

#burnout


any proof to this?

Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 30 2021 02:30am)
duffman does care, even for the antivaxxers

this does not need to happen
https://i.imgur.com/hwWHGAk.png
https://i.imgur.com/W1xFPHM.png


mary was morbidly obese and could have died only from that at any moment.
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Aug 30 2021 09:47am
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 30 2021 02:41am)
it happens to people who don't fit the profile too. a family friend was like the guy below who by being fit, healthy, skeptical and dying from covid encouraged a number of people around him to get the vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9937949/Anti-vaxxer-musician-dies-Covid-hospital-aged-40.html
Anti-vaxxer musician who appeared in ITV's Bad Lads' Army dies from Covid in hospital aged 40, leaving a pregnant wife behind and after saying he couldn't get ill because he exercised five times a week
Marcus Birks, 40, was a Covid vaccine sceptic and claim he couldn't get ill
Was hospitalised with flu-like symptoms after contracting virus in early August
As his condition worsened he said he was 'ignorant' and urged people to get jab
Marcus' pregnant wife Lis confirmed he died at the Royal Stoke University Hospital on Friday
https://i.imgur.com/XsbLfUM.png


you never know how healthy you really are. having a good weight for your height, age, lifestyle is definitely helpful, but clearly he had an immune system weak in many areas if he died from covid.

exercising 5 times per week sounds awesome, but for many you might be diminishing your immune system, your nervous system, etc.

I'd be curious about his diet, probably shit like most UK diets.

you can literally eat only English breakfasts three times a day and still have a good weight, that means nothing in the long run.
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Aug 30 2021 09:50am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Aug 30 2021 11:10am)
You can fix overweight (like 42% of amercan population) on the other hand you can't fix antivax conspi-racists IQ.
In the same way you can't fix selfish, obtuse, ignorant people. This is well documented here:

1/ Breath
2/ Breath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36LJiU4ha0

Logic would tell me to get rid of unfixable first.


the hospital literally sent him home thus making him critical. lol.
the medical system almost killed him.
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Aug 30 2021 11:23am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Aug 30 2021 11:47am)
you never know how healthy you really are. having a good weight for your height, age, lifestyle is definitely helpful, but clearly he had an immune system weak in many areas if he died from covid.

exercising 5 times per week sounds awesome, but for many you might be diminishing your immune system, your nervous system, etc.

I'd be curious about his diet, probably shit like most UK diets.

you can literally eat only English breakfasts three times a day and still have a good weight, that means nothing in the long run.


Some internal weaknesses are not obvious from the outside. This is all the more reason to get vaccinated even if you think the virus won't kill you don't you think?

Millions of people have been vaccinated and id think if there were serious problems with the vaccines you'd be hearing about it in large numbers now.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Aug 30 2021 11:26am
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