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Aug 16 2021 06:28am
Quote (Djunior @ Aug 16 2021 04:54am)
Don't worry the "pogressives" in EU will say wir schaffen das and trigger huge streams of migrants once again. Other migrant nationalities seizing the opportunity and tagging along, of course.

EU civilians better prepare for another stream of hardcore muslims entering their society, remember the mass assaults like Cologne Germany 2015-2016 caused by the massive immigration spike back then.

BTW the rape of Scandinavian women prompted responses like this one here, beware the cringe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Uru_vZZ8U


All PSA ads like these do is fetishize Swedish women as naive cute little fuck toys who will squeal for you not to touch their "nono square" while you savage them.

It probably turns the migrants on even more.
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Aug 16 2021 06:32am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 16 2021 04:47am)
Yeah those small arms and armor we funneled to the Taliban in the 90's and Iraq in the 00's never came back to bite us in the ass did they
Ron Paul isn't about to be elected president and the US isn't going to declare 200 years of Sakoku. This is one more easily foreseeable problem that's going to fuel the next middle eastern conflict, even if its not in Afghanistan.


And if we stay out of their business... those weapons will do no harm to us!
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Aug 16 2021 06:48am
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1427063758732541958

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Was there like a whole group of people I didn’t know about who think Gerald Ford is the one who really botched the Vietnam war because the fall of Saigon happened on his watch?
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Aug 16 2021 06:54am
2020 - Trump makes "peace agreement" with Taliban, GOP cheers.

2021 - Biden pulls out, Taliban moves in. GOP jeers.

Seems like that peace agreement was really well done, just stellar.
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Aug 16 2021 07:07am
>Surely orange man is to blame for this

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Aug 16 2021 07:12am
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i think my original maga hat is selling for like 2 grand on ebay now. worth.


more like 4$

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Aug 16 2021 07:13am
I’m totally ignorant on the topic but I feel like I just want to post my knee jerk reaction.

What was the US supposed to do, what’s the solution, and how do you help a country that either doesn’t want help or chooses not to help itself?

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ITS RAINING MUZZLIMZZ HALELUIAH ITS RAINIG MUZZLIMZZ

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Aug 16 2021 07:23am
Quote (Acuity @ Aug 16 2021 08:13am)
I’m totally ignorant on the topic but I feel like I just want to post my knee jerk reaction.

What was the US supposed to do, what’s the solution, and how do you help a country that either doesn’t want help or chooses not to help itself?


Well the first step is being realistic about what you can and can't do. If your strategy is based around moon logic assuming you can do the impossible, you're going to fail at doing it.
The solution was to acknowledge that the Taliban was going to take over as soon as we left, and plan accordingly. That meant evacuating people, weapons and armor before it could fall into enemy hands.
Its a fundamental of war strategy as old as time itself, the difference between a retreat and a rout.

There wasn't some magical answer where Afghanistan was left as a western-style democracy where people are represented by a free and fair central government that respects individual liberties and progressive ideals. Flying an LGBTQ rainbow flag over the US embassy during a military occupation doesn't change the fact that Afghans are a bunch of regressive islamic tribal militias who treat women and boys as sex slaves. The best outcome was an organized withdrawal and forming at least basic agreements with the Taliban to ensure a peaceful takeover. We got that 'mostly peaceful' takeover, it seems largely from maneuvering by Russia and Arab powers and the Taliban's temperance, no thanks to US diplomacy / lack thereof. We certainly didn't get the organized withdrawal, we got a full blown rout.
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Aug 16 2021 07:26am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 16 2021 06:14am)
I dont think theres any scenario where we pull out cleanly. Trump actively stopped our allies like local interpreters from making it to the U.S. for his entire presidency and the Taliban was always going to take over.


I think it's true that any withdrawal wasn't going to be clean, but it could've gone a lot better than this.

It's unclear to me why Biden didn't pull out a bunch of the Afghans who helped us on the ground. Was it incompetence, political calculation, legal/bureaucratic hang-ups, or what? Perhaps all of the above.
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