I'll answer whatever questions you have. You haven't asked me any questions that I've seen. If it's a question about a specific proposal, then I'll need to know what the proposal is obviously.

Well, the questions I had were as follows (and included background for context which, if you disagree with anything, I would have to ask you to address as well in spirit of fairness. It's only fair to respect the explanation of why I come from the mindset I do as much as the questions themselves).

I have re-posted for reference as well. No harm no foul if you decide otherwise

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But, how am I behaving as if I am devoid of any responsibility - fair question? Would you not call any of this a display of personal responsibility? If not, why not?

Also, you didn't even ask me where I began after starting to pull myself out of the crater? To give context, I will share by default:

I began in a call center taking mindless phone calls where I repeated the same script over, and over (and over) for 8 and a half hours a day. They hired anyone and there were 22 people in my original training class. one still remains with the company to date and moved up in her career path as I did (an idea of the turnover/fire rate).

I had no skills, no direction, no fancy, parent funded degree and I needed a job because I had 2 kids, so I took this job that paid less than $23,000 a year. I spent almost 4 years (and minimal raises - I think I barely broke 30 at my highest) in that role learning as much as I could and connecting with as many people as I could. My first promotion I had to apply and interview five times before actually getting it (I was passed up 4 prior).

There is no"I can't" (I mean within reason, we will always "can't" fly by flapping our arms, but that's different), there is "I don't want to" and "I don't feel like putting in that much effort". Neither will honestly never be a justification of expansion of social safety nets that are given away for free at any point. Like I said in my most recent response - at face value, that economic model is not viable long-term in any conclusiary outcome in the realm of possibility.

Do know - none of this is intended to be hostile, but, what I believe is going to be very difficult to change having lived through what I have and being able to take a few seconds every now and then and step back and realize where I made it to today (and I can say the same thing about one of my friends who is black that I used to run with back in the day - he's actually a nurse now on his own merits and got 2 years of schooling for free by working in that same call center i mentioned above).

You're asking questions about claims I didn't make so I can't answer them.

Well, then I fail to understand the basis of our conversation friend. I was originally addressing LakeLaogai and you did include yourself with the following comments on your own volition:





So, in fairness again, if you are not refuting anything I am saying, can you help me understand what the disagreement is, then?

I already asked you to cite the specific model lol. If you would give me the specific claims you are making we could better communicate.

Friend, the tactic of denigrating someone's belief while attempting to conceal yours through obfuscation to avoid any (rightful) criticism of said beliefs is one that in 2021, we are all pretty educated on. I did ask you twice now to support this by addressing my points first and you haven't.

I very much enjoy fruitful conversation/engagement of thought, but if this is the only type of response you shall offer, then this will be where I take my leave.

I've made my stances clear I believe. Attempting to poke holes in them without supporting why your stances validate said holes is not fruitful by any means.

Have a nice evening

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 6 2021 06:31pm

I'm using no such tactic. I'm trying to get you to clarify what you are talking about. This is not an attack, it's not me obfuscating my beliefs, it's part of normal conversation.

So I'll just ask again, so you have an opportunity to respond, what specific policies or economic models do you have an issue with, where are they coming from, and why do you have an issue with them?

Be well cyrus.

Friend, that's, again, a defense with many holes in it (that I have pointed out if you would address my previous comments) and more questions with no answers. My sincerest apologies, but the goal posts have been concreted in place so we will need to work within that realm if we are to engage any further.

I will be willing to allow for one additional response should it contain something we are able to work with / move forward towards bearing fruit. My last try:

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But, how am I behaving as if I am devoid of any responsibility - fair question? Would you not call any of this a display of personal responsibility? If not, why not?

Also, you didn't even ask me where I began after starting to pull myself out of the crater? To give context, I will share by default:

I began in a call center taking mindless phone calls where I repeated the same script over, and over (and over) for 8 and a half hours a day. They hired anyone and there were 22 people in my original training class. one still remains with the company to date and moved up in her career path as I did (an idea of the turnover/fire rate).

I had no skills, no direction, no fancy, parent funded degree and I needed a job because I had 2 kids, so I took this job that paid less than $23,000 a year. I spent almost 4 years (and minimal raises - I think I barely broke 30 at my highest) in that role learning as much as I could and connecting with as many people as I could. My first promotion I had to apply and interview five times before actually getting it (I was passed up 4 prior).

There is no"I can't" (I mean within reason, we will always "can't" fly by flapping our arms, but that's different), there is "I don't want to" and "I don't feel like putting in that much effort". Neither will honestly never be a justification of expansion of social safety nets that are given away for free at any point. Like I said in my most recent response - at face value, that economic model is not viable long-term in any conclusiary outcome in the realm of possibility.

Do know - none of this is intended to be hostile, but, what I believe is going to be very difficult to change having lived through what I have and being able to take a few seconds every now and then and step back and realize where I made it to today (and I can say the same thing about one of my friends who is black that I used to run with back in the day - he's actually a nurse now on his own merits and got 2 years of schooling for free by working in that same call center i mentioned above).

This post was edited by CyrusTheGreat on Jun 6 2021 06:38pm

I'm starting to see that you just have very poor communication skills. I'm not defending anything. I'm not attacking anything. I'm not moving any goal posts because the conversation hasn't even started. I need you to please stop being defensive, and just talk like a human.