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There's always a common denominator for what is wrong with capitalism or communism.



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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 5 2021 09:08pm)
There is no such thing as "free market capitalism". It's a meaningless buzz word that righties made up so they can always say it's government's fault. In reality there are many examples that are well documented where multiple companies came together to set prices, set quality of items, etc.

Capitalism requires government intervention to function. It requires courts, property rights, a system of laws to define the playing field. Without that there is no property and no capitalism. Conservatives will point to that system of laws and say "look, its interferring with the free market". Yeah, no shit, there's literally no such thing as a perfectly free market.

While i agree its difficult to get to a perfectly “free market” i dont think anyone objects to “courts, property rights, or a system of laws to define the playing field” as things that generally obstruct a free market from operating close to intended. Its the other regulations that are, where the fine line is drawn is typically the subject of debate.

The most intriguing prt about capitalism is how it always seems to kill itself. I think it has something to do with special interest having a voice where the free market doesnt.
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While i agree its difficult to get to a perfectly “free market” i dont think anyone objects to “courts, property rights, or a system of laws to define the playing field” as things that generally obstruct a free market from operating close to intended. Its the other regulations that are, where the fine line is drawn is typically the subject of debate.

The most intriguing prt about capitalism is how it always seems to kill itself. I think it has something to do with special interest having a voice where the free market doesnt.


The special interests are the free market ^_^

Once a group gets enough money they can bend the will of the people and those in power to your benefit. That's capitalism working. It's generating profit, profit becomes influence, influence becomes interferrence.

This is why "free market" never existed. Ever.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 7 2021 06:36pm)
The special interests are the free market ^_^

Once a group gets enough money they can bend the will of the people and those in power to your benefit. That's capitalism working. It's generating profit, profit becomes influence, influence becomes interferrence.

This is why "free market" never existed. Ever.


define then free market? And a system which fosters that idealism?
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define then free market? And a system which fosters that idealism?


The term "free market" is an ever shifting one so that failures of capitalism can always be blamed on the government.
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Quote (ssdrmstre @ Jun 7 2021 02:33am)
While i agree its difficult to get to a perfectly “free market” i dont think anyone objects to “courts, property rights, or a system of laws to define the playing field” as things that generally obstruct a free market from operating close to intended. Its the other regulations that are, where the fine line is drawn is typically the subject of debate.

The most intriguing prt about capitalism is how it always seems to kill itself. I think it has something to do with special interest having a voice where the free market doesnt.


A perpetually triggered populace is part of the problem. I've seen republican coal miners unable to overcome their hatred of democrats to support policies that would benefit themselves at the expense of their employer who screws them over at every turn with regards to employee health, safety and medical care.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 8 2021 02:22am)
The term "free market" is an ever shifting one so that failures of capitalism can always be blamed on the government.


Huh?
Free market economy is an idealistic term coined by Adam Smith who gave us the idea to begin with. Like all idealistic concepts are stifled due to human spiritual immaturity. As long as greed and obsessive need to dominate others is a thing.
Also throwing idealistic terms which have never been attained and probably never will, then you can blame anything and everyone. A peculiar argument

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 8 2021 02:29am)
A perpetually triggered populace is part of the problem. I've seen republican coal miners unable to overcome their hatred of democrats to support policies that would benefit themselves at the expense of their employer who screws them over at every turn with regards to employee health, safety and medical care.


Dislike for hippy commies is much stronger

This post was edited by addone on Jun 7 2021 03:03pm
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Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 7 2021 09:29am)
A perpetually triggered populace is part of the problem. I've seen republican coal miners unable to overcome their hatred of democrats to support policies that would benefit themselves at the expense of their employer who screws them over at every turn with regards to employee health, safety and medical care.

Thats kind of the issue I described earlier. Say the coal miners unionize and think they benefit themselves at the expense of “their employers” but also to the public at large. Since special interest such as them have a voice but the free market does not, rhe free market always ends up offing itself when people pursue special interest.

I might add there are quite a few examples of special interest typically hurting themselves by deviating from the free market as well. A classic example of this is what happened to physicians agreeing to the insurance model and government intervention in healthcare in the US as a whole.

Im kind of at a point where i just hope we get enough trumps and other “useless” politicians to stall the inevitable doom of personal liberty until im dead. Theres nothing worse imo than a bernie, obama, etc who fervently believe in things that take away personal economic liberty from the individual/family. I know how this sounds to lots of more liberal folks (selfish etc) but maybe i watched too much milton friedman to know better
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