what real world problem do you think this video is going to solve?

we don't have a problem today of kids touching themselves in public and kids seem to figure it out early on that anything below the waist is dealt with in private

if you want to talk about preventing child abuse i can see some value in trying to educate kids to speak up but this video is certainly not the one we need

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I don't conceptualize the video, or any video, as attempting to 'solve' anything. That puts too much responsibility and too high of expectations on any video or possible sex-ed curriculum.

I do think that videos like that one, and the corresponding consent-based education, helps kids normalize conversations around their bodies, including their genitals. It puts forward the idea that touching one's genitals should be 1) private and 2) a consensual experience. Then, if/when an adult or an older minor violates one or both of those principles it will (hopefully) mean that kids will be not only better able to identify that sexual impropriety but also to speak up about it.

If there's anything I would criticize here, at least based off of the limited information I've read in the OP and online, it's that parents allegedly weren't properly informed about the curriculum--either wholly or partly. It would shock me if they were wholly in the dark about the curriculum, as sex-ed is notorious for needing parental consent. What is probably more likely, and something I've heard/seen before, is that parents were provided with a broad, generalized description of the curriculum only to later find out the details. If it's the former, then I would be completely shocked and the educator/school totally fucked up. If it's the latter, then it's still an issue because there was probably a better way for them to go about getting consent. I've done sex-ed with kids around that age, and the organization I was with was meticulous about informed consent and never letting anything be a surprise.

Parents were provided the entire curriculum for them to review on their own well in advance (links to videos, handouts, description of activities, etc.), and we would hold 2 in-person opportunities before the class where parents could come in and address any questions or concerns they had so they could decide whether or not to sign-off on the consent form or instead opt their child out. For those unable to make the in-person meetings, we also provided an option to do a phone call. Once that curriculum was consented to, you stick to it--again, no surprises. Most parents were actually very supportive, if not initially with reservation, and the vast majority gave their consent without issue or later complaint.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jun 2 2021 10:50pm

That should be discouraged IMO.

If I had it my way, I'd explain that euphemisms for genitals are okay and I'd say that it's important that you keep them private. That's all they really need to know.

At what age do you feel sex-ed is developmentally appropriate?

It depends what you mean by sex-ed. If you're talking about "safe sex" and what not, I think the first year of high school is appropriate. Elementary and middle school services should be available at the counselor's office but it shouldn't be taught to the population as a whole.

If we're talking about human development, I think that can be done every year. That doesn't mean just the development of sexual organs either. Talking about relationships, consent, body-image, etc. should be a part of that.

I see. I guess I just find it interesting your perspective that the video, in which it talks about touching one's genitals and how it can feel good, is seen as encouraging masturbation. They seem like very different things to me.

Touching yourself for pleasure is the path to masturbation. We masturbate because it's pleasurable and touching yourself for pleasure gives you that desire.

this is woke child abuse disguised as education

thats how you create completely deranged kids