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Apr 23 2021 12:07am
Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 22 2021 11:00pm)
I am asking the questions here sir.

That may be able to be considered a yes/agree but its convoluted. It is a one word answer question.


I am not bound by your demands, my explanation is clear enough. that you cant answer my question makes you suspect in your intent.
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Quote (TiStuff @ Apr 23 2021 06:07pm)
I am not bound by your demands, my explanation is clear enough. that you cant answer my question makes you suspect in your intent.


What do you suspect my intensions are?
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Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 22 2021 11:11pm)
What do you suspect my intensions are?


possible deception/trickery trapping with a loaded question subject to your interpretation of said scripture.
tell me just what is your purpose asking that question?

why such a big deal over my question
" assume authority over a man"
(should a woman "assume" authority over a man? what is your answer? ...........and no dom jokes)
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Quote (trvegamer @ 23 Apr 2021 07:55)
You didn't answer the question.



You didn't answer the question.



You didn't answer the question.





Thats an agree.

Thank you I guess.. for the closest answer to a clear yes or no.


Quote (trvegamer @ 23 Apr 2021 07:52)
You didn't answer the question.



You didn't answer the question.



answer is: incorrect.
reason: translation issues, historical context, counter-examples, and personal opinions.
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Apr 23 2021 01:26am
Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 23 2021 05:40pm)
Agree or disagree? Yay or nay? Correct or incorrect?


what do you think?
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Quote (trvegamer @ Apr 23 2021 12:48am)
Do you agree with the quote stated or not?

It seems to be in very clear language.



Do you agree or disagree?



Il take that as an agree.


God is a black women, so no, your fictional basis is shit.
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Paul had interesting takes on women in the Church. I don't honestly know if his viewpoints would or should be taken seriously, but given I'm not a Christian, I doubt I'm your target audience. However, at least a little context is in order:

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1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I believe Paul was instructing Timothy on how the church and the clergy should operate. His reasoning is what it is. If you buy into "original sin" and/or the idea that women are particularly susceptible to deceit, then perhaps there's grounds for agreement.

Myself, I can neither agree or disagree. How the church organizes it's clergy members is up to the church. Who am I to interfere in their worship?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 24 2021 02:00am
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Paul had interesting takes on women in the Church. I don't honestly know if his viewpoints would or should be taken seriously, but given I'm not a Christian, I doubt I'm your target audience. However, at least a little context is in order:

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1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I believe Paul was instructing Timothy on how the church and the clergy should operate. His reasoning is what it is. If you buy into "original sin" and/or the idea that women are particularly susceptible to deceit, then perhaps there's grounds for agreement.

Myself, I can neither agree or disagree. How the church organizes it's clergy members is up to the church. Who am I to interfere in their worship?


Abolish the church. Can't trust christians to do the right thing when they operate on blind faith in fiction fantasy books.
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Apr 24 2021 05:58am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 24 Apr 2021 04:54)
Abolish the church. Can't trust christians to do the right thing when they operate on blind faith in fiction fantasy books.


Only if you simultaneously abolish the Press.

If you wish to attack the civil rights embodied in the First Amendment, gotta attack them all. No more propaganda of ANY form, every misspeak equals mob justice, yes?
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