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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Apr 21 2021 06:54am)
the OP post is clearly from the defund/abolish the police standpoint, which is retarded

as a sane person i want everybody to be held accountable, but nice attempt to make this about race

since social experiments are a trend right now: the police shouldnt answer certain calls anymore

15 year old girl tries to stab somebody? send a social worker, good day folks

let the "community" work it out


You think a social worker can't disarm a 15 year old girl with a knife? That's pretty easy lol. Not safe, but with proper training hardly something you need to call the police for.

You guys act like social workers are all 105lb weaklings taken off the street, instead of people who put up with more shit than cops do but aren't allowed to shoot people.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 21 2021 09:56am)
There is. Systemic racism postulates racism to be embedded in all structures and institutions of society, independent from the short-comings and inclinations of individuals. This is also the reason why the woke and BLM crowds have moved on from "dont be racist, whitey" to "being non-racist is not enough for white people, you still benefit from white privilege. you can only make up for that by becoming outright self-loathing in the rhetoric and policies you support on racial matters".

The question in the specific case right here was if Chauvin would have gotten a fair, unbiased trial in the absence of pressure from the streets. I'm not saying the answer is an emphatic "yes", but at the same time, I can't say with confidence that the answer is "no" either.


so racist individuals in a pervasively racist society create and operate a system, in which the outcome is racist due to their pervasive racist attitudes, but that doesnt mean the racist system that racists created is racist?

in any case your question is moot, postulating on whether the outcome would be the same if it were not a high profile case takes into account that it could have been a low profile case. thats not 2021, that's 1991 mentality. we dont have low profile police killings of black men in the cell phone era of the US anymore. even when its not months long national news the local aura of "pressure" we're talking about here is there and getting a jury ignorant of the case is all but impossible.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:00am)
What are a few examples of systemic racism today?

Like actually in the last couple of years, not things like redlining 40 years ago.

Serious question.


Voter ID laws have been shown time and again to disproportionately affect blacks. we can use moral arguments to claim this shouldnt be the case but it is. when u require an ID less blacks vote than whites who dont vote.

sentencing studies still show that blacks receive harsher punishments, even when controlled for legal council costs. and are also less likely to receive parole for the same crimes.

lots of examples, usually leading to "yeah but thats because they are like this ____" responses or "high drug trafficking area" excuses. all well and good, but thats doesnt change the experience of the predominately non-drug dealing black people in that area.

Quote (Duckling @ Apr 21 2021 10:05am)
Uncle Tom is a racist term. For someone who majored in criminal justice with a minor in statistics and works in automation development, you certainly are dumb as shit


no it isnt. convince me otherwise. (you wont even try)

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 11:09am)
lmao, voting ID laws? Surely there are better examples.

Fun fact about the MLB thing that happened a few weeks ago. So they ended up moving the all-star game to Colorado because of the new Georgia law proposals. Ironically Colorado has voting ID laws already on the books, similarly to what Georgia was trying to implement.

Honestly, can't make shit up.

Apparently it's only racist in states that are swing states and need to be made more blue but not in other states.



No surprise here people like Thor and snipa and all the fellow pale pasty soy boys are not operating in good faith anymore
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:09am)
lmao, voting ID laws? Surely there are better examples.
Fun fact about the MLB thing that happened a few weeks ago. So they ended up moving the all-star game to Colorado because of the new Georgia law proposals. Ironoically Colorado has voting ID laws already on the books, similarly to what Georgia was trying to implement.
Honestly, can't make shit up.


Oh, you wanna do this again? Last time you asked I cited this case and you avoided race topics like a plague for like the past year. Good to see you've forgotten.

The appeals judge ruled that racial groups were targeted with the laws "with surgical precision" and they had evidence beyond doubt that this was the specific intent when tailoring the law.

Somebody doesn't need to write "n****rs can't vote" in a law for it to be racist. They can just as easily look up the racial demographics of areas served by different polling places and close those down, and then look up what forms of ID they should accept and not allow the ones used overwhelmingly by different racial groups, and that's exactly what happened.

And the best part, it was passed within a year of the supreme court shutting down the voting rights act.

Systemic racism exists, and idiots like you think "that can't be racist, they didn't even say the N-word"

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:09am)
lmao, voting ID laws? Surely there are better examples.

Fun fact about the MLB thing that happened a few weeks ago. So they ended up moving the all-star game to Colorado because of the new Georgia law proposals. Ironically Colorado has voting ID laws already on the books, similarly to what Georgia was trying to implement.

Honestly, can't make shit up.

Apparently it's only racist in states that are swing states and need to be made more blue but not in other states.


blacks = 28.61% of the population in Georgia, aka 2.3 million people.

blacks = 3.70% in Colorado, aka 159k people.

so ummmmm lol?

Quote (Duckling @ Apr 21 2021 10:11am)
No surprise here people like Thor and snipa and all the fellow pale pasty soy boys are not operating in good faith anymore


good faith = wed morning church?

keep chiming in from the bench mall cop.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 21 2021 11:12am)
Oh, you wanna do this again? Last time you asked I cited this case and you avoided race topics like a plague for like the past year. Good to see you've forgotten.

The appeals judge ruled that racial groups were targeted with the laws "with surgical precision" and they had evidence beyond doubt that this was the specific intent when tailoring the law.

Somebody doesn't need to write "n****rs can't vote" in a law for it to be racist. They can just as easily look up the racial demographics of areas served by different polling places and close those down, and then look up what forms of ID they should accept and not allow the ones used overwhelmingly by different racial groups, and that's exactly what happened.

And the best part, it was passed within a year of the supreme court shutting down the voting rights act.

Systemic racism exists, and idiots like you think "that can't be racist, they didn't even say the N-word"


You're the one getting worked up because if voting ID laws are the best example you can come up then most people are going to roll their eyes.

I really just don't understand how we can have different types of standards of what makes something racist and then pretend to have an honest objective conversation. Like in Colorado, and most of the world voting ID laws are totally acceptable but in swing states, they're not and it's voter suppression.

Where is the outrage about Colorado being a destination for the MLB game when they have these laws on the books there?

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 21 2021 11:14am)
blacks = 28.61% of the population in Georgia, aka 2.3 million people.

blacks = 3.70% in Colorado, aka 159k people.

so ummmmm lol?



Okay so? Are you saying the 3.7% of Blacks in Colorado being suppressed by these laws is okay because it's a small percentage or?

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:17am)
You're the one getting worked up because if voting ID laws are the best example you can come up then most people are going to roll their eyes.

I really just don't understand how we can have different types of standards of what makes something racist and then pretend to have an honest objective conversation. Like in Colorado, and most of the world voting ID laws are totally acceptable but in swing states, they're not and it's voter suppression.

Where is the outrage about Colorado being a destination for the MLB game when they have these laws on the books there?


Hmmm, it's almost like nobody has ever claimed that voter ID laws are inherently racist, but are racist when they're used to target specific minority groups.

Oh wait... that's exactly whats happening, and you're refusing to even look into the issue where it was proven to be what's happening in federal court.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:17am)
You're the one getting worked up because if voting ID laws are the best example you can come up then most people are going to roll their eyes.

I really just don't understand how we can have different types of standards of what makes something racist and then pretend to have an honest objective conversation. Like in Colorado, and most of the world voting ID laws are totally acceptable but in swing states, they're not and it's voter suppression.

Where is the outrage about Colorado being a destination for the MLB game when they have these laws on the books there?


strike 1: calling CO not a swing state is a bit silly, 7/12 of the last Potus elections it voted red.

strike 2: existing laws that aren't appearing problematic arent the same as new laws that do appear problematic

strike 3: there are 15x more blacks in Georgia, with far more below the poverty line, to disproportionately affect



Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:24am)
It's a state law. What surgical precision are you talking about? Are whites exempt? Are rural counties exempt? Are you saying it will only be enforced in predominantly black areas?


the "something either is or isnt racist" bereft of context narrative among conservatives is silly. stahp.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 21 2021 11:19am)
Hmmm, it's almost like nobody has ever claimed that voter ID laws are inherently racist, but are racist when they're used to target specific minority groups.

Oh wait... that's exactly whats happening, and you're refusing to even look into the issue where it was proven to be what's happening in federal court.


It's a state law. What surgical precision are you talking about? Are whites exempt? Are rural counties exempt? Are you saying it will only be enforced in predominantly black areas?
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 21 2021 10:24am)
It's a state law. What surgical precision are you talking about? Are whites exempt? Are rural counties exempt? Are you saying it will only be enforced in predominantly black areas?


Thanks for admitting you don't know the first thing about the law you are trying to speak with authority about. I've linked you to it multiple times already, and it seems instead of honestly engaging you've avoided it.
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