Quote (thundercock @ Apr 11 2021 02:52am)

You say that we can't have a productive conversation, but I disagree. If you agree with everything they did, that's fine. That's the society you want to live in and more power to you. If you think the actions should have been different, then that means you want the officers to be accountable. What does accountability look like to you? I think that's where the discussion should be.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 10 2021 11:58pm)

Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to stop a vehicle withno rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was "eluding police" and he considered it a "high-risk traffic stop," according to a report he submitted afterward and which was included in the court filing.

Arthur said Nazario explained at the time that he wasn't trying to elude the officer, but was trying to stop in a well-lit area "for officer safety and out of respect for the officers."
Another officer, Joe Gutierrez, was driving by when he heard Crocker's call, saw him attempting to stop the SUV and decided to join the traffic stop. Gutierrez acknowledged that Nazario's decision to drive to a lighted area happens to him "a lot, and 80% of the time, it's a minority," Arthur said, quoting the officer.

The lawsuit says by the time the two officers reached Nazario's SUV, the license plate was visible in the rear.

Yes a minor traffic stop, it was a brand new car and he had not fit his plates yet but he had them visible.

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 11 2021 05:00pm)

Based on what I saw on the video, I'd score the officers action a 9.5/10. The choice to say "you should be" was not great, but it's unrealistic to expect officers to always choose the right words.

Their performance is satisfactory. In a world where we have human cops, performance is never going to be perfect. If humans constantly performing at 9.5/10 is unacceptable, then we will never be able to have an acceptable system.

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 11 2021 12:00am)

Based on what I saw on the video, I'd score the officers action a 9.5/10. The choice to say "you should be" was not great, but it's unrealistic to expect officers to always choose the right words.

Their performance is satisfactory. In a world where we have human cops, performance is never going to be perfect. If humans constantly performing at 9.5/10 is unacceptable, then we will never be able to have an acceptable system.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 11 2021 02:58am)

Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to stop a vehicle with no rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was "eluding police" and he considered it a "high-risk traffic stop," according to a report he submitted afterward and which was included in the court filing.

Arthur said Nazario explained at the time that he wasn't trying to elude the officer, but was trying to stop in a well-lit area "for officer safety and out of respect for the officers."
Another officer, Joe Gutierrez, was driving by when he heard Crocker's call, saw him attempting to stop the SUV and decided to join the traffic stop. Gutierrez acknowledged that Nazario's decision to drive to a lighted area happens to him "a lot, and 80% of the time, it's a minority," Arthur said, quoting the officer.

The lawsuit says by the time the two officers reached Nazario's SUV, the license plate was visible in the rear.

Yes a minor traffic stop, it was a brand new car and he had not fit his plates yet but he had them visible.
Now does the "crime" of not having your brand new plates on but having them clearly displayed mean you should be accosted at gun point by angry dickheads? I say no.
HE said he considered it a high risk stop?
Now what reasoning could he have..
Hmm..

Quote (thundercock @ Apr 11 2021 03:02am)

So you think it was reasonable to immediately draw a gun and you think it was reasonable to assume that it was a felony traffic stop?

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 11 2021 05:05pm)

I don't have an opinion on that since the context of what led up to the stop wasn't included in the video I watched.

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 11 2021 12:05am)

I don't have an opinion on that since the context of what led up to the stop wasn't included in the video I watched.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 11 2021 03:07am)

You are on the wrong account ghot.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 11 2021 02:38am)

What video are you watching?
Because it ain't this one.