Ya a lot of people have a hard time having faith in the word of God. The problem seems to be that you are confused about the wages of sin.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The wages of sin isn’t “feel bad” or “say sorry” or “take communion” it is death.

If you are arrested for DUI here in Louisiana there are established fines. You will not be able to tell the judge that you are sorry or that you help old ladies cross the street or that you use your turn signal every time. While those are good things to do, they are irrelevant in your DUI case.

If you go to Disney Land and offer them the rags you used while changing your car’s oil in lieu of the required $104 for entry, you won’t get in.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

true, however true atonement isn't saying you're sorry, its actually being sorry. my preacher has talked often about how true atonement is very hard to achieve, because of the human ego and our tendency to reconcile sin as justified or unimportant.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The atonement is done. We who have believed in Christ have already received everlasting life.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

ok but for a practical application, if someone accepts god and has faith, then commits a murder on someone, that person goes to heaven?

i get the scripture you're referencing, this for example i take to mean past sin, not all future sin:

Is King David in heaven? Moses? These men committed murder. Is Samson in heaven? He committed suicide. King Saul? Also committed suicide.

to take just one example, Moses killed a man who was beating slaves. and following my doctrine could have also atoned for this murder and felt remorseful later and sought God's forgiveness.

also, all of these examples are Old Testament, correct? and therefore aren't subject to the concept of asking Jesus to wash away your sins.

Moses murdered that Egyptian. The law was not yet given.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

So if the death penalty was given by God how did Moses atone?

There has always been only one way to heaven, by faith even in the Old Testament.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

ok so related question, if faith alone is the only way to heaven, what in Baptist beliefs is the function of Jesus?

elsewhere in Christianity he serves the purpose of removal of mankind's sins through his death, specifically also in Catholicism the ritual of communion is used to do this, also from Jesus.

what role does Jesus play in the Baptist church that God alone doesn't already serve? and do Baptists do communion, and if so how often?

in a nutshell?
Scenario
Mankind fell from grace and is in a fallen condition.
An offer of salvation from the fallen condition is offered and is proof of love.
Refuse the offer and it is your will be done. which is separation. separation from the source of all that is good is what hell is.

remember what some try to make everyone forget. The world is in a fallen condition and on the path of man and that is why its such a horrible place. Salvation offered is a path back.

A couple of reasons all a part of satan's pride & hatred for god's other creations.
Satan sought to be better than god having played music for god in heaven (understood how god approached creation). Satan chose to deviate from god with jealousy and hatred towards god's creation of man.
Because satan chose to try and exploit god's freedom of choice to man, satan wants humanity to be slaves to satan when god gave man the option to choose, good or evil. Meaning, satan wants no choice but blind obedience to satanism (no sense of self or self awareness) referring to the soul as a body or as a byproduct of dirt, bacteria, etc. & treating themselves and others poorly with out fairness in that treatment - all forms of hatred or wrapping lies in truth ultimately to try and undo the choice God freely gave though w/ hardship after man's dismissal from the garden of eden. This dismissal for man was fair since he disobeyed god indirectly through eve and satan but still disobeyed ultimately a direct command that was explained for sake of protection.

This also implies that satan reverse engineers, steals creativity, energy, light, life, emulating god's creation and even DNA itself ex=RNA. Natural vs synthetic. Genes are a trinity of protein synthesis environment and the gene, it's impossible to isolate it with out factoring in the other two which means biblically and truthfully that sin, sickness, and satanism is the cause of man's decay on earth which is remedied by the choice in Jesus christ to accept his free gift of salvation; (in order to save the soul). The second death is loosing the body and thusly the soul for loving evil and the death of ones own self and body effectively rejecting Jesus christ's offering.

Christ was born of a virgin mother through the power of the holy ghost for the sake of salvation of any or all souls because of this sinful decay & according to Yhwh's will. Satan wants an impure mother born of virgins in order to destroy (the opposite of christ or the anti christ) aka Candida Auris apoc or the plagues around the harlot of revelations. It is also mentioned in daniel 243 and in revelations as the beast w/ the power to breath life. Satan did this through breaking the commandment thou shall not take the blood of thy sacrifice w/ Yeast (candiasis) & various other commandments and spiritual perversions of the spirit of God's law which is why what you posted earlier was so abysmal because the law is inclusive of the spirit of the law through christ & the holy ghost meaning if you don't rest on the sabbath because your helping an animal you do not tress pass or violate god's "law" because you were quickened by his morally just spirit to do so.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 25 2021 02:27pm