Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Mar 2021 09:53)

"There is so much to comment on that I'm going to have to pick and choose but don't mistake my lack of response on specific points as concession, I simply don't have unlimited time to argue with you."
(then you write a wall of text, sheese i will try to remember to read it later.)

Quote (memoorhouse @ Mar 20 2021 06:54am)

right, and that was picking and choosing.. you said that much wrong.

Quote (memoorhouse @ Mar 20 2021 06:50am)

There is so much to comment on that I'm going to have to pick and choose but don't mistake my lack of response on specific points as concession, I simply don't have unlimited time to argue with you.

Your list you are now claiming is "atheist nations" is outright absurd. I'm not going to discuss them all but I will touch on Nazi Germany (which was almost entirely composed of protestants and Catholics during world war II) You said "you assert "its not because of atheism" then what cause do you propose?" are you seriously trying to claim that the cause of world war II was atheism? I would strongly recommend you read more if that's the case.

your statement "the assertion "no god" by necessity is a claim to some kind of omni knowledge" is the epitome of a straw man argument. there are over 4000 religions in the world almost all are based on iron age books riddled with lack of scientific understanding. but fine if you want to split hairs I will concede that technically I would have to call myself a teapot agnostic. I don't "believe" with absolute certainty that there is no possibility of god - but based on the evidence I've seen, I think a specific human shaped omnipotent being that created 14 billion years of time and space and matter, so that he could watch primordial goo evolve on 1 tiny rock for millions of years until it eventually evolved into his image is about as likely as the rings on Saturn being caused by a giant teapot orbiting the planet at absurd speeds. now. I've never been to Saturn or personally witnessed the cause of it's rings, I cant say with absolute certainty that is not what causes the rings, but I'm not holding my breathe.

This assertion that you cant understand morality without god makes me sick. If I were to see a child chase a ball into traffic I wouldn't stand there devoid of feeling doing nothing because there's no god (the idea that the only reason you would attempt to in help that situation is because it aligns with god's will greatly concerns me). Also, with this only god gives you morals absurdity, why do people in other parts of the world who have differently religions (which I'm going to go ahead and assume you refute) do things out of morality? Or are you claiming that ONLY people of your specific religion have morality and the entire rest of the world are anarchists?

as for this:
if atheism is true. wouldnt that just make us products of some kind of random naturalistic process? .............accidents? of what value is that sort of creature?

It would be FAR more valuable than an all knowing all mighty all powerful being that creates infants with horrible diseases when he doesn't need to, lets them die excruciating deaths (and before finding his particular religion which dooms their "soul" to not go to "heaven" for eternity) when their crime is what? being born in a developing part of the world?

as for addressing origins, I'm not nearly qualified enough to assume I can answer the question of origins (currently the entire global scientific community hasn't answered that question...) but from what I've read they currently say the causality of the big bang (which seems to be omitted from your old book?) is unknown at this time.

explaining origins with "god's just always been around and invented everything and nothing had to invent him" seems no different than saying "the stuff that caused the big bang was just always around and nothing had to create it" it's a cop out pseudo answer that explains nothing. just because there are things we cant explain doesn't mean the point goes to the first person to yell out an answer...

Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 21 2021 12:21am)

atheist nations have brought the world more misery than all the rest of the reasons combined

Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 20 2021 10:38pm)

You included Hitler, who was a practicing Catholic with full support of the pope until the day he died.

So your credibility on "atheist nations' is nill.

Hell, the Nazis had "God is with us" printed on their official uniform belt buckles.

You don't know shit about atheism or Christianity, which is probably caused by the same mental deficiency that cuase syou to buy into Q propaganda.

Quote (TiStuff @ 21 Mar 2021 02:09)

is it catholic to persecute catholics? if not then your false

Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nazi_persecution_of_the_Cat...
The Roman Catholic Church suffered persecution in Nazi Germany. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity and the party leadership ...
Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Poland - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nazi_persecution_of_the_Cat...
During the German Occupation of Poland (1939–1945), the Nazis brutally suppressed the Catholic Church in Poland, most severely in German-occupied areas ...

a pope selling out doesnt falsify christianity.

Gott mit uns ("God with us") on belt buckles predates the nazi party. these belt buckles were being made before the days of the nazi party and were already part of the german military uniform.
the phrase it self Gott mit uns ("God with us") was commonly used in heraldry in Prussia (from 1701)

your tv taught you about Q. then they told you trumpers were Q or followers or some chit. most trumpers dont know squat about Q. makes you look like a kook when you run up on a trumper babbling about Q.

Quote (memoorhouse @ Mar 21 2021 05:01am)

oh so a country that is almost entirely religious and run by a catholic does belong on your 'atheist nation' list because "is it catholic to persecute catholics? if not then your false"

wow great argument, an almost entirely religious group of people run by a religious guy with full support of the pope commit atrocities and you reaction is - that's uncatholic there for they go on the the atheist nation list...perfectly rational, I suppose Hilter also just didnt have the authority or Military budget to change belt buckles that predated him?

This is the problem with someone who values a comforting story over facts I suppose...

Quote (TiStuff @ 21 Mar 2021 08:09)

let me make it short and sweet. Its stupid to say he was catholic when he persecuted catholics.

they already had a supplier for belt buckles why should he give a dam about it any more than that.

i posted facts and cited references, you posted gibberish.

Quote (memoorhouse @ Mar 21 2021 05:22am)

Your claim that they are both an "atheist nation" and had a reference to god on their uniform doesn't seem at all absurd to you? are you being honest here?

I don't understand how you can possibly think you're just listing facts... When did it become a fact that the pope isn't catholic strictly because you say he "sold out"?

You cant just rewrite history and expect people to take you seriously.

As for citing random websites as somehow legitimizing yourself goes...

"The Pope has the authority given to him by Christ. To be truly Catholic, one must be in communion with the Pope." -http://www.aboutcatholics.com/beliefs/how-should-catholics-view-the-pope/

so that would make you... not catholic? I guess you're an atheist since I haven't heard you claim any other religion, welcome to the team brother!