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Some other users have already touched on this, but I can't reconcile the living standards we enjoy today with the lack of material possessions and wealth required to go to Heaven. "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

Surely even having savings or buying non-essentials like a watch is excessive indulgence as they could conceivably have been given to starving children in Africa

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 12 2021 06:09pm)

Some other users have already touched on this, but I can't reconcile the living standards we enjoy today with the lack of material possessions and wealth required to go to Heaven. "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"

Surely even having savings or buying non-essentials like a watch is excessive indulgence as they could conceivably have been given to starving children in Africa

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16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not give false testimony; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man *said to Him, “All these I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be [k]complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.

23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” 25 When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, “Then who can be saved?” 26 And looking at them, Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 13 2021 12:09am)

Do you think Jesus was speaking literally when he said if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off?



I don't think it's a serious position that this lesson from the Bible means every Christian should sell all their possessions, or that those with wealth cannot be saved.

Although, the moral/ethical question of how much luxury you should enjoy in your own life, rather than using those resources for charity, is an interesting one.

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Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter

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No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money

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People will be working to ensure the survival and wellbeing of themselves and of the people around them.

People will no longer need to be working to ensure some rich guy's fourth Ferrari.

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Whether it was meant literally could affect your interpretation of it if that was the only mention of wealth in the Bible, but it isn't. The Bible is categorically scathing towards the rich

Can these verses be taken in any other way?

It's the classic case of interpreting religion to fit our own desires. We don't want to give up our stuff so we carry on and convince ourselves that it's ok - but it's not

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9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwZnzcU9D4g

just watch it without bias, and ask yourself why do you believe what you believe?

Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 12 2021 11:02pm)

How do you justify your existence if god truely exist ? checkmate ;)