so are people who insisted puerto rico shouldn't get any aid now insisting they should get aid?

FEMA is a safety net for the states, it does not require ALL states have the emergency for a specific disaster. Riots in the Twin Cities area were recognized as a state of emergency by Minnesota government, and the damage totals were immense. Minnesotans pay tax, and are every bit as deserving for FEMA safety nets when there is a state level emergency.

Again, not a natural disaster, and could have been mitigated and managed at that time via the utilization of federal resources at that time.

The largest disaster was the local and state response to civil unrest. Again, not a natural disaster of any form, and given the lack of requesting federal response immediately during the events, my understanding is that it really fell to, "Does the state have the resources to recover from it's damages?" and the answer was yes, so FEMA aid was denied. That's still open for discussion though. Minnesota rep... Emmet, was it? Promised a clear explanation of what occurred, how it occurred, and how it can be prevented in the future in return for reconsideration of the aid. My understanding is, this was accepted, and the explanations have not yet been presented. It's entirely possible that Minnesota could still receive federal aid. I don't think states like Oregon or Washington would, as they're on the record as refusing federal assistance and citing state's jurisdiction for doing so.

they deserved it

... and I dont even disagree with you on that one. Trump should have pushed for a bipartisan infrastructure bill. Such an easy win on the political and policy front. And the timing would have been right, with a good economy during calm times. Now, the aftermath of covid will keep politics busy and budgets strained for years.

Lol, talks about "facts" then berates Cam with distortions.

Texas' power outages are the result of highly uncommon extremely cold weather, both to its wind generation capacity and even more so to its gas pumping capacity.



Yes, he can't help himself.

I'm sure it's just his internet personality, acting out his Napoleon Complex.

O.o I didn't realize FEMA was limited to natural disasters?

stafford-act_2019 313.b.2.c/d (page 96)

"(C) develop a Federal response
capability that, when necessary
and appropriate, can act effectively and rapidly to deliver assistance essential to saving lives or
protecting or preserving property
or public health and safety in a
natural disaster, act of terrorism,
or other man-made disaster;"

Also, of course Minnesota has the resources to cover emergencies, we plan for this shit. That shouldn't be a reason to bar federal aid when there is a disaster. That incentivizes piss poor planning by states.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Feb 17 2021 08:56pm

So you're considering this "another manmade disaster"? Like, a terrorist attack or somesuch is understandable. On the flipside, "We burned down our own city because reasons" is an interesting one. If I intentionally burn down my own home, then attempt to collect on Homeowners Insurance, I will be prosecuted for fraud, and end up in a cage. And this is the primary concern regarding providing relief for riots that were not acted against in a decisive attempt to immediately suppress. Why wasn't the Minnesota National Guard called out immediately? Where was the full deployment of riot police? Where was the immediate request for federal aid via federal agents and law enforcement?

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not unsympathetic to the damage, but providing aid for people burning their own city down sounds a lot like rewarding bad behavior. Snow, ice, wildfires? Happen. It's not an issue of people intentionally harming themselves.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 17 2021 09:03pm

WHAT!? When you say 'people' I hope you are talking about the mix of fringe extremists, some from out of state who were agitating violence, and not local residents and business owners. Absurd thing to say.

Edit: Why would locals burn down their AutoZone? Stupid logic

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Feb 17 2021 09:17pm

I'm not interested in excuses. If you cannot provide the answer, you're just asking for free shit. These were the answers the Minnesota Representative promised to provide. Once they're provided, if they're good answers, then sure. Until then, enough with excuses.

Edit: And how many of these rioters have been charged and prosecuted? Your lame excuse of "These people from out of town" is just nonsense. Of 90 held up on state charges, only 3 did not have local addresses. And many of those 90 who were charged had their charges dropped. And only 90? How? You're telling me some thousand odd businesses were looted and burned, along with many residences (primarily low income) and there were only 90 perpetrators? What the fuck happened with all the videos showing hundreds of people at multiple locations at the same time, and at times, crowds of thousands?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 17 2021 09:29pm