School shootings are caused by single motherhood.

this. most if not all of the kids involved in these horrific events were bullied and/or had mental health issues. violence is glorified all over the place, especially by hollywood and the media too. then they throw their hands up as if they had nothing to do with it.

it’s unfortunate there are too many band-aids slapped on these issues, and that’s at best! par for the course is to tell the kids to “deal with it” and then look what happens

yikes. if gun nuts only had the slightest clue how cringe their beloved "lel, they used the wrong term for a particular firearm. they clearly don't know what they are talking about at all, and thus can't possibly come up with legislation to protect innocent lives. if you don't spend your time and money buying walmart tacticool gear, gun magazines, and cosplaying special ops, you're not worthy of writing gun legislation." line of argument is, they would stop making it. that's like insisting only alcoholics should be allowed to write drinking laws, or only race car drivers and mechanics should craft traffic laws...

it's really just an intellectually lazy way of refusing to address the issues caused by america's gun obsession, to portray the ones trying to solve them as entirely clueless, and thus unable to.

why does the PRO GUN community not come up with some actual solutions for issues like mass shootings, firearm homicide, or gun suicide for example? shouldn't it be in their interest to solve them in order to protect their simplistic interpretation of the second amendment? all they do is reject everything that is proposed, reject everyone trying to solve those issues as 'clueless', and blame other factors (that strangely do NOT lead to the same problems in all of your peer countries), while actively preventing research on the issue. do you genuinely not realise how that looks, how obvious their real motives are?

yep. no single mothers in your peer countries, hardly any school schooting. identified the problem right there. smart boy.



honest question: how many school counselors for bullying and social media do you think there are in germany for example, compared to america?
and what kind of counselors would you suggest to prevent mass shootings in churches, cinemas, concert venues, malls...?

it always makes me laugh when our libertarian and conservative 'small government' proponents come up with the most absurd and most expensive suggestions to tackle a problem that clearly would best (and cheapest) be solved by stricter gun laws.

This post was edited by fender on Feb 15 2021 11:39pm

School shootings are caused by social contagion.



I'm pretty anti-gun, but this bill seems dead in the water and has components that I can't get behind--particularly the discrimination against those with a mental health diagnosis and the searchable, public registry.

it doesnt matter, because no one cares. you started and lost both world wars like cowardly bullies. how many died because of your ancestors penchant for hatred and gun violence???? can it, goebbels junior

This post was edited by excellence on Feb 16 2021 01:15am

I don't know the number but I do know that it would help a lot in this country. There are certainly other variables in play (including the gun laws). It would also help if the media didn't glorify the events. The evidence that the media via contagion is pretty compelling. However, I think any sort of regulation to prevent the media from reporting on said events would be wrong.

If you banned guns completely in America, you'd still have the issue of angry folks wanting to take revenge on society for whatever reason. Would there be less deaths? Absolutely. Guns are efficient tools for killing which is why we use them in war. But are we just saying that some number of revenge deaths are acceptable? Should we not also try and get to the root cause of the violence? When some lunatic drives into a crowd of protestors, do we just say "well, hardly anyone died so let's move on?"

Lastly, I think you'd have a difficult time convincing a lot of libertarians/conservatives that mass shootings are even a PROBLEM. They'd rather accept the social risks by having their gun rights and call it a day. Freedom always comes with a cost.

Humor me. Use capital letters to start your sentences.

As you said, there's bad faith here. On your part as well, so why engage you? This is the example you set just a few posts ago. So, now it's shift this discussion to topics with a better foundation in rhetoric?



Curtailed, not ended. And whether it stemmed from gun control is debatable. You got rid of what? 20% of the guns in the country? 20% of America's guns leaves us with... hundreds of millions of guns.

It's more than mental health, it's just a major factor. American kids are far more likely (anywhere from 50-350% depending on the source used) to be put on antidepressants like SSRIs than other western nations. These classes of drugs have known links to aggressive, violent ideation. Throw in the fact that we don't utilize universal healthcare like the rest of you yahoos, and we get more probability that these kids get wild swings in their prescription filling, leading to poorly managed conditions.



Dylan and Eric didn't "start the craze." Charles Whitman preceded them by decades and he didn't start it either. Eric was on Zoloft & Luvox. Dylan's medical records remain sealed.



The problem is that there's a real chance the filibuster doesn't survive this Congress, and if it dies, not only could this law pass, but so could their goal of court stacking.



This. MFers be all like "this semiautomatic rifle is a rifle and this other semiautomatic rifle is a weapon of war." Same pew, same firing rates, but the black gun is scary. Terms that get you laughed out of the discussion: common sense gun reform, weapons of war, assault weapon, high capacity magazine.



Fact.

The media and culture plays a role. Its hard to quantify though, how would you even count it?

However the numbers are like 95% of school schooters and 90+% of criminals come from single moms.

The acceptance of this trend is satanic.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Feb 16 2021 07:06am

i dont see it getting anywhere unless its heavily watered down.

the only thing i support in this current conversation is the end of hand to hand gun sales. why do i need to wait 3 days at a gun store to get cleared for a hand gun purchase or worse have to have my grandpa mail a hand gun to a store owner in Wisconsin from his store in Illinois, but i can buy a rifle or shotgun same day from age 18. when both can kill just as easy or be used in a crime.

guns should come from gun stores and the background check system should be streamlined, not to put more gun out, but because its 2021 and the internet makes it possible to automate quickly.