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Feb 7 2021 05:43am
Quote (said_aouita @ Feb 6 2021 08:13pm)
The option is not voting.


What a dumb thing to say. Whether a person votes or not does not change the fact that the outcome of the election will still have a direct effect on the non-voter.

I have a great affinity with those who would refuse to cast a vote, for fear of lending their own personal decree of validity on an election. Such a decision will not change the fact that there will be consequences upon them with the outcome of an election they could have participated in.

Voting is aggression whereby the majority impose their will upon the minority, and hide behind a façade of legitimacy.

I'm not lying when I say that for the 2020 Census, I intentionally refused to return a response, for the express purpose of denying my state the power of my enumeration. In my entire life, not once has my state's vote for president reflected my views in governance. On the bright side, my state is slated to lose an electoral college vote after reapportionment.
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Feb 7 2021 06:00am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 7 Feb 2021 01:01)
Are you okay with non-transparent systems where double digit percentages of the users do not trust it?


you can drop the second part, because if trump's america has proven one thing, it's that at least 30% of you would believe ANYTHING trump claims without even the slightest bit of evidence - actually, even what he claims AGAINST overwhelming (scientific) evidence.

so the true question here is if we're ok with 'non-transparent systems', meaning intellectual property and corporate secrets - and if YOUR answer to that is 'NO', you might as well wave that communist flag proudly, comrade...
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Feb 7 2021 06:07am
Quote (fender @ 7 Feb 2021 04:00)
you can drop the second part, because if trump's america has proven one thing, it's that at least 30% of you would believe ANYTHING trump claims without even the slightest bit of evidence - actually, even what he claims AGAINST overwhelming (scientific) evidence.

so the true question here is if we're ok with 'non-transparent systems', meaning intellectual property and corporate secrets - and if YOUR answer to that is 'NO', you might as well wave that communist flag proudly, comrade...


Your post lacks consistency. You yourself were part of the "Russian Collusion" hoax crowd. You yourself did not believe that the 2016 election was valid.

You attempt to defend election process systems being proprietary corporate secrets and not a transparent democratic system, and this points to you as a Fascist. You actively believe the corporate elite and heads of state should work together to decide what's best for society without any input or transparency to those they're ruling.

There's nothing "Communist" about an open and transparent election. That's called "democracy". Attempts to prevent transparency and turn elections into a question of intellectual property and corporate secrets is authoritarianism. :)
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Feb 7 2021 10:53am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Feb 2021 13:07)
Your post lacks consistency. You yourself were part of the "Russian Collusion" hoax crowd. You yourself did not believe that the 2016 election was valid.

You attempt to defend election process systems being proprietary corporate secrets and not a transparent democratic system, and this points to you as a Fascist. You actively believe the corporate elite and heads of state should work together to decide what's best for society without any input or transparency to those they're ruling.

There's nothing "Communist" about an open and transparent election. That's called "democracy". Attempts to prevent transparency and turn elections into a question of intellectual property and corporate secrets is authoritarianism. :)


"transparent election" does NOT mean every conspiratorial trumptard gets access to "dominion's source code", you fool. america had largely transparent and fair elections (by their standards, and to the degree that silly system allows for it) - if anything, attempts to surpress and disenfranchise people came (as per usual) from republicans.

the FACT (not hoax) that russia massively interfered with american elections in 2016, to the benefit of trump, and with his explicit endorsement (and subsequent attempts to cover it up by lying to the public), is meticulously documented in the mueller report. you should read it one day. just because republicans were too afraid and too power hungry to hold him politically accountable for that does not mean it didn't happen. his braindead followers having to strawman that and acting like if 'collusion' or 'hacking the vote' doesn't apply, then everything must have been fine, is not proof of trump's innocence, but proof of your delusion and lack of care about fair elections, as long as it's to your benefit.
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Feb 7 2021 10:55am
Quote (fender @ 7 Feb 2021 08:53)
"transparent election" does NOT mean every conspiratorial trumptard gets access to "dominion's source code", you fool. america had largely transparent and fair elections (by their standards, and to the degree that silly system allows for it) - if anything, attempts to surpress and disenfranchise people came (as per usual) from republicans.

the FACT (not hoax) that russia massively interfered with american elections in 2016, to the benefit of trump, and with his explicit endorsement (and subsequent attempts to cover it up by lying to the public), is meticulously documented in the mueller report. you should read it one day. just because republicans were too afraid and too power hungry to hold him politically accountable for that does not mean it didn't happen. his braindead followers having to strawman that and acting like if 'collusion' or 'hacking the vote' doesn't apply, then everything must have been fine, is not proof of trump's innocence, but proof of your delusion and lack of care about fair elections, as long as it's to your benefit.


:rolleyes:

You've lost it so thoroughly it's just not worthy of bothering.
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Feb 7 2021 10:57am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Feb 2021 17:55)
:rolleyes:

You've lost it so thoroughly it's just not worthy of bothering.


that's rather funny coming from a conspiracy nut. you know that the rest of the world is laughing about you, right?
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Feb 7 2021 11:15am
Quote (fender @ 7 Feb 2021 08:57)
that's rather funny coming from a conspiracy nut. you know that the rest of the world is laughing about you, right?


Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Feb 2021 04:07)
Your post lacks consistency. You yourself were part of the "Russian Collusion" hoax crowd. You yourself did not believe that the 2016 election was valid.

You attempt to defend election process systems being proprietary corporate secrets and not a transparent democratic system, and this points to you as a Fascist. You actively believe the corporate elite and heads of state should work together to decide what's best for society without any input or transparency to those they're ruling.

There's nothing "Communist" about an open and transparent election. That's called "democracy". Attempts to prevent transparency and turn elections into a question of intellectual property and corporate secrets is authoritarianism. :)


No conspiracy theories needed. Biden won. I'm perfectly fine mate. You're still on with your "RussiaGate" hoax. I laid out my only real concern right here:

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 6 Feb 2021 10:39)
No. Because I'm not arguing the validity of the election, nor am I arguing anything actionable regarding the 2020 election itself.

I'm arguing that Dominion is a foreign entity, and has no place in our election process at all. Note, by election process I'm referring to the mailing of official voting material (pamphlets, ballots, etc), the voting machines, the tabulation machines, etc.

So, foreign companies want to run ad and smear campaigns and try to sway public opinion in the US, as was done by an entire host of outlets such as the BBC, CBC, RT, and many others? Go right ahead. That's not part of the "process" that's simply flow of knowledge. If said companies want to be direct tabulators of votes? Just no.

Fair? I'm not contesting the validity of the machines either way, I'm contesting the source, as proprietary foreign systems do NOT insure sovereign democracies. :)


Everything you're saying, fender, is pure irrelevant nonsense and conspiracy theory. You're easily the most pathetic person to disgrace PaRD. Even worse than TiStuff and darkhead. :)
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Feb 7 2021 03:02pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Feb 2021 18:15)
No conspiracy theories needed. Biden won. I'm perfectly fine mate. You're still on with your "RussiaGate" hoax. I laid out my only real concern right here:



Everything you're saying, fender, is pure irrelevant nonsense and conspiracy theory. You're easily the most pathetic person to disgrace PaRD. Even worse than TiStuff and darkhead. :)


you might want to give the mueller report an actual read, and stop embarrassing yourself claiming that russian election interference on behalf of trump was just a "hoax". that's #alternative facts, bobby boy.
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Feb 7 2021 03:15pm
Quote (fender @ 7 Feb 2021 13:02)
you might want to give the mueller report an actual read, and stop embarrassing yourself claiming that russian election interference on behalf of trump was just a "hoax". that's #alternative facts, bobby boy.


Everyone here read the Mueller report. It does not allege collusion with the Trump Administration OR election fraud.

All the Mueller report really said regarding the 2016 election specifically was that there was some minor influence due to Russian Media such as RT and some facebook ads and social media trolls. That's a big so what, and perfectly legal. That's not "fraud" or "stealing an election".

Unrelated process crimes just aren't something I care about. Likewise, an unrelated financial crime? Not a concern. Just as the "Dems stole the election" shit is overblown, as is your "Russiagate hoax" nonsense.

Your #alternativefacts have grown so tiresome, even the most lefty leftists have disassociated with your random and mostly unintelligible claims.
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Feb 7 2021 07:22pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Feb 2021 22:15)
Everyone here read the Mueller report. It does not allege collusion with the Trump Administration OR election fraud.

All the Mueller report really said regarding the 2016 election specifically was that there was some minor influence due to Russian Media such as RT and some facebook ads and social media trolls. That's a big so what, and perfectly legal. That's not "fraud" or "stealing an election".

Unrelated process crimes just aren't something I care about. Likewise, an unrelated financial crime? Not a concern. Just as the "Dems stole the election" shit is overblown, as is your "Russiagate hoax" nonsense.

Your #alternativefacts have grown so tiresome, even the most lefty leftists have disassociated with your random and mostly unintelligible claims.


again, the 'collusion' and 'election fraud' allegations that you claim i made are just silly strawmen. what i ACTUALLY said was detailed in the mueller report: trump welcomed and encouraged russia's meddling with the 2016 elections, and then he lied about it publicly on multiple occasions in order to cover it up.
those are FACTS - and you trying to downplay that, even portraying it as a 'hoax', just illustrates what i said before: you don't actually care about fair and transparent elections - you only claimed that after YOUR guy lost. but hey, good luck getting "dominion's source code", lol.
seriously, the hoops you people are willing to jump through to cope with the fact trump lost yet another election by millions of votes, and this time not even the electoral college could save him... trumtards are the laughing stock of the world, and you don't even realise it...
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