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Jan 11 2021 02:35pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 11 2021 03:30pm)

I'm not convinced of that. Trump is incompetent but his inner-circle made some really smart moves. The RNC is full of Trump loyalists now and many state GOP higher ups are on the Trump train. The party is in crisis.


All of whom are vying for political power themselves. Do you see Cruz or Hawley ever giving the nod to Ivanka or Jr?

Trump the last ~1-2 years has been a low-energy shell of his former self. I don't see him running again at the age of 78. There is a huge gap between a 70-year old and someone closing in on 80.
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From a practical standpoint, Trump has been neutered of all power. I believe that most cabinet members are simply going to ignore unlawful orders and he's just going to sulk until he's out of office. Having said that, we didn't think he'd be able to do any damage outside of sabotaging the GA election once the EC voted. Boy were we wrong.

From a principled standpoint, the House HAS to impeach. There's really no other option that they have because if they do nothing, they are condoning it.



A trial won't happen. The Senate won't be in session without unanimous consent. The whole point of this is to have precedent so that you can lower the probability of it happening again.

I saw a good analogy yesterday. A man gives his employer two weeks notice but then assaults an employee on the 2nd to last day. Should that employee be fired or should they just "wait it out?"



The Republicans don't want unity. Most House Republicans were undeterred by the events on Wednesday. This is a classic domestic abuse situation where a husband beats his wife, wants to reconcile, and then gets upset when she says no.



I'm not convinced of that. Trump is incompetent but his inner-circle made some really smart moves. The RNC is full of Trump loyalists now and many state GOP higher ups are on the Trump train. The party is in crisis.


id be more in favor of actual accountability, rather than pageantry for precedent.

sadly in this case actual accountability means a Biden DOJ trying Trump for some kind of incitement and likely a slew of other violations when he was POTUS, that just sucks up years of news headlines, costs millions, and puts a few more Trump lackees in jail. all while fueling the trumpian narratives of the deepstate and emboldening qcucks even more.

mostly why i lean towards just ignore him, let his regime end unceremoniously, even if it means he throws a tantrum and incites a few more riots before he's done. then if he does it in private life hit him with the book i guess. or just have the CIA set up a hooker with bad blow in his bed and both of them dead of an apparent overdose from some fentanyl cut boom boom.
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Jan 11 2021 02:49pm
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id be more in favor of actual accountability, rather than pageantry for precedent.

sadly in this case actual accountability means a Biden DOJ trying Trump for some kind of incitement and likely a slew of other violations when he was POTUS, that just sucks up years of news headlines, costs millions, and puts a few more Trump lackees in jail. all while fueling the trumpian narratives of the deepstate and emboldening qcucks even more.

mostly why i lean towards just ignore him, let his regime end unceremoniously, even if it means he throws a tantrum and incites a few more riots before he's done. then if he does it in private life hit him with the book i guess. or just have the CIA set up a hooker with bad blow in his bed and both of them dead of an apparent overdose from some fentanyl cut boom boom.


Legally speaking, there's no way you can charge him for inciting a riot. The bar for that is EXTREMELY high. Ethically speaking though, he's absolutely responsible. The ethics part is where we really need reform. As President, Trump broke relatively few laws. Part of the reason why Garland was chosen to lead the DOJ is because he's a constitutional scholar. Norms need to be codified, DOJ policy needs to be rewritten, etc. We won't get much accountability from Trump and his enablers but we can try our best to ensure it doesn't happen again. A commission needs to be set up to investigate the enablers in the executive branch and how they were able to do what they did. The government should not touch the enablers in media. Let the free market decide that.

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All of whom are vying for political power themselves. Do you see Cruz or Hawley ever giving the nod to Ivanka or Jr?

Trump the last ~1-2 years has been a low-energy shell of his former self. I don't see him running again at the age of 78. There is a huge gap between a 70-year old and someone closing in on 80.


I think Hawley's career is over. He was relatively unknown and now he is tied to this. He'll continue to be elected, but there's no way he'll ever be President. Cruz has a much more established brand and he'll be able to survive. He won't be President either but he'll at least represent a certain brand of conservatism.

If Biden can win at his age, Trump can too. He's wealthy enough to stay relatively healthy. All it takes is having a plurality to win the GOP nomination.
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Jan 11 2021 03:01pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 11 2021 11:58am)
if impeachment costs under 1m$ then id 100% support it for that reason, hadn't thought of that. also would remove secret service protection?

now you're speaking my language.


Even if impeached, a former President still gets Secret Service protection in perpetuity.
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Even if impeached, a former President still gets Secret Service protection in perpetuity.


hopefully he gets the junior varsity secret service tho
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Jan 11 2021 03:15pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 11 2021 01:01pm)
Even if impeached, a former President still gets Secret Service protection in perpetuity.


Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 11 2021 01:04pm)
hopefully he gets the junior varsity secret service tho


I have a feeling that Iran is going to take out Ivanka at some point. They are pretty pissed about the Solemani thing and if Trump doesn't have SS, it would be much easier to do.
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Jan 11 2021 03:22pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 11 2021 11:18am)
https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif


https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/house-articles-of-impeachment/index.html

The House has released it's resolution to impeach President Donald Trump. If the impeachment succeeds(as it likely will), he will be the first president in history to be impeached twice. It is unlikely that the Senate convicts him, and conviction is required in order to disqualify him from running again(I believe).

The vast majority of the right-wing will oppose this effort, because they would like to pretend the past 2 months didn't happen. But it did, and there needs to be accountability.


Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 11 2021 12:29pm)
i'd love for senate/congress to have their costs made public. im curious what the actual dollar amount this attempt will cost US taxpayers, all to get rid of trump 9 days ahead of schedule.


There's nothing saying the articles of impeachment be delivered prior to 12:00 January 20th. Pelosi could deliver them to a Democrat majority and end Trump's political future.
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Jan 11 2021 03:25pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 11 2021 04:15pm)
I have a feeling that Iran is going to take out Ivanka at some point. They are pretty pissed about the Solemani thing and if Trump doesn't have SS, it would be much easier to do.


she's worth at LEAST 12 goats

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There's nothing saying the articles of impeachment be delivered prior to 12:00 January 20th. Pelosi could deliver them to a Democrat majority and end Trump's political future.


think they'd need 2/3, right?

This post was edited by chemoshots on Jan 11 2021 03:26pm
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I think Hawley's career is over. He was relatively unknown and now he is tied to this. He'll continue to be elected, but there's no way he'll ever be President. Cruz has a much more established brand and he'll be able to survive. He won't be President either but he'll at least represent a certain brand of conservatism.

If Biden can win at his age, Trump can too. He's wealthy enough to stay relatively healthy. All it takes is having a plurality to win the GOP nomination.


He's 41, so there's plenty of time. No one is going to be talking about this in 16 years, but 2024 is probably out of reach at this point.
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Jan 11 2021 03:32pm
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think they'd need 2/3, right?


2/3 majority to remove from office, and then the Senate can also vote to ban the person from ever holding future office with a simple 51% majority.
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