The problem with your thinking is that the right you describe just want all the power in the hands of corporations, not the people.

China is far right now??

That's false. The "right that I describe" dislikes the corporate structure rather intensely. And the current corporate structure is what it is primarily due to the authoritarian nature of the leftist government. A million regulations that'll crush a small business, with exemptions to global corporations?

Let's bring it down to a more simple level: You own your home/property. I don't believe you should be taxed on that home/property. Why? You own it. For you to pay taxes on that property means you really don't own it, the government does. And once you accept that premise, now, if you want to build an improvement on your own home/property, the government can now impose restrictions, or demand that you provide a certified accounting of said improvements, which will raise the value, and thus the tax on your property.

Such a system is leftist at heart. It works under the fundamental idea that you do not have a right to own property. The government GIVES you that right, with the obligation that you have to pay to maintain that right. And if you fail to maintain, then they can seize your property and charge you as a criminal.

So here's the thing... If I wander off and become a "woods people" up in the cascades and using just my flint, knife, and knowledge, build myself up a nice little home with a self-sustaining farm and bother nobody, I can have it all taken away in a heartbeat. "This is State land" or "This is federal land". The state/federal government can then destroy my work OR sell it for pure profit, without compensation of any form AND throw me in jail for the imagined crime of stealing from the state to personally benefit. On the flipside, if I squat in someone else's home, I have actual squatters rights and it takes an act of god to get me out. Meanwhile, that state/federal land is just sitting there and I wasn't bothering anybody, but the person's property I'm squatting at, the person not only invested in but is actively paying taxes on to "retain ownership".

Meh, you're so conflicted either way. Don't expect you to put any thought into it. On the one hand you want universal healthcare, harsh regulation, universal income, and on the other hand, you complain that you don't want to pay as many taxes. Your lack of consistency is so brutal, it's hard to make you even consider why that might be.



If you believe that nationalism/populism is a right ideal, then they must be. Then again, you'd be stupid to think that.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 02:57am

So what you are saying is no one in politics is right wing?
@bolded just stop already, who are the ones waving all the american flags?


This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 7 2021 02:59am

Very few in politics are right wing today, correct. The "far right" of today that's all about liberty and limited government was the "moderate republican" of the 50's and 60's. Those same people who voted in the Civil Rights acts also wanted your money to be used for you, not some overarching government.

Start looking into the money, and it's obvious why. When bartenders go from barely able to afford an apartment to having multiple homes and millions in cash, lifelong politicians have 3 homes and a couple hundred million in net worth even though they've never worked a day outside public service, and things become really very clear.

And what the fuck are you talking about? There are American Flags everywhere in America. It's America, dude. There's Chinese flags all over China. There're Australian flags all over Australia. People taking pride in their nationality is nothing new or unique, and every nation has some great things to take pride in. That's nothing to do with "being a nationalist". Policy regarding that nationality is where you describe a nation's government as nationalistic or not. When China went and seized all the PPE from 3M stating "It was made in China, therefore it's owned by the Chinese people" even though it was US wealth and resources that produced it, THAT'S nationalism. That you want to demonize some redneck waving a flag while drinking a beer and saying, "Hey man! We're in the middle of a pandemic where millions of small businesses and tens of millions of jobs have vanished! We shouldn't be providing ANY form of foreign aid. WE pay those taxes, and now WE are the people who need aid!" is absurd. The redneck is correct. He's not a nationalist. He wasn't out protesting giving a few million here and there to try to promote good causes when times were good. Times are NOT good, yet we're still giving the fruits of OUR labor to OTHER NATIONS. Our largest corporations are on HIRING SPREES in India, China, and elsewhere to insure they can provided needed product while all these small businesses are locked down under martial law.

The US is legitimately the least nationalistic nation there is. Outside of Trump, who in US politics are you going to point at as actively promoting nationalist policies today? Seriously?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jan 7 2021 03:11am

Ron paul was the only one i can think of, gary johnson maybe.

that's what its called far right populism/nationalism no conflation here. At this point the subject is moot since there are many crossovers and grey lines that overlap in any government/system.

My point was that it doesn't matter whatever the vehicle behind the wheel there is different agenda

You don't even have a sliver of a clue of how hilarious this statement is.

Ron and Rand Paul I'll give you, but they have no power or ability to inact policy, and everyone shouts them down. And you must be joking regarding open borders free trade Johnson. Nationalist/populist? Really?



It's not hilarious at all. It's infuriating. Why have we spent untold billions trying to build infrastructure such as roads, housing, schools, and public works in Iraq and Afghanistan, continued to pump billions in foreign aid to places like *gasp* China, when we have our own problems to deal with?

Seriously. You have to be certifiably retarded to think the United States isn't extremely nationalist given the modern politics of the country. How long have Americans been boasting that "They're the strongest" or "They're the richest" or "They're just all around the best" in the entire world? About 100 years now?

InsaneBobb is quite literally insane.