Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 10:38am)

In order to bring a case before a US court, you have to argue standing (damage was done to you personally) and injury (there was actual damage to you, personally). That's merely to get to the evidentiary stage. Once you get to a point that you can present evidence, the evidence needs to be beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The reports regarding the... Hacks? Don't show much. You cannot show any proof of injury, first and foremost. Second, you cannot show a single party. There are multiple alleged parties involved. Is it possible that somebody managed to get past IT security? Okay, maybe? So what? What did they do? What's the injury?

At this point, there's not enough damage to even bring a civil lawsuit, let alone declare war. Nor is there evidence that links it solidly to Russia that doesn't rely on the internal investigations of private companies that also happen to do business with China, who just happens to be actively hostile towards Russia.

I'm not down for getting involved in a Russia/China conflict on China's behalf, especially regarding a cyberattack that China themselves also happens to be implicated in. Why are you? Aren't you one of those crazy defund the police, US big brother bad types?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 20 2020 10:14am)

To me, you guys sound really naive. We hack adversary governments, entities, firms regularly. This story wouldn't even be a story but it is because the media caught wind of it so the hacked parties now have to publicly address and acknowledge it. Usually, in this type of situation, a corporation would never want to admit it because it damages their public image, scares off investors, scares off customers, etc. For state entities, it's also fairly embarrassing to admit that they've gotten hacked and acknowledge weaknesses.

This hack isn't a one-off event where essentially Russia just hacked us for no reason. In reality, it's just a continuation of the sang and dance we have with various other superpowers for many years but 9/10 times we never hear anything about these hacks for the above-mentioned reasons. So to say we have to retaliate is just to be ignorant of the status quo. We continually attack and retaliate and this cycle has been going on for at least a decade now. Historially we've been much better at it than them but China & Russia have really upped they cyber espionage game in the last decade.

^Icemage

Trump with 2 weeks left in office shouldn't do anything. Whatever response you think is warranted should be thought out and Biden's admin can respond one way or another.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 08:44am)

Why would I provide you a critical analysis of my own life? Who the fuck are you, and why do you matter?

Get over yourself. If you wish to participate in the debate, feel free. If not, shut the fuck up, you're a nobody.

Quote (endymionlune @ 20 Dec 2020 07:40)

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

Quote (Tyrantus @ 20 Dec 2020 07:47)

This is the problem here in a nutshell. Asking you folks to take a logical look at *anything* is clearly too much to ask, and is immediately met with derision.

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 20 2020 10:43am)

I don't think I'm naive... the article I posted makes clear that this was espionage(not an attack) by the Russians, something we would do to them. It also talks about how our options to respond are limited.

At the very least Trump should be up front with the American people... perhaps show some vague concern that he's worried about stuff like this. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 20 Dec 2020 17:28)

To most people, Trump isn't the center of gravity for which their whole lives revolve around. Like when I read about Solar Winds being hacked thoughts about how Trump felt didn't cross my mind at all because his feelings are irrelevant to me.

It's a hack of a private corporation that had many other corporate clients as well as government ones that got exposed--that's the story. Why would I care about how Trump feels about it or him being 'upfront'? The company needs to be upfront and the media needs to be upfront with the reporting wtf does Trump have to do with the story?

If Trump says the hack was bad and we need to spend more on cybersecurity does that make you sleep better at night? Is that any more than an acknowledgment that the sky is blue?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 20 2020 11:28am)

If Trump says the hack was bad and we need to spend more on cybersecurity does that make you sleep better at night? Is that any more than an acknowledgment that the sky is blue?

Quote (chemoshots @ 20 Dec 2020 18:29)

a million times over, yes
a lot of this country will not currently believe something unless it comes straight from trump
it matters

Quote (SoWintertodt @ Dec 20 2020 12:36pm)

"Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest - and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."

Twitter, 9/5/13

Quote (chemoshots @ Dec 20 2020 12:29pm)

a million times over, yes
a lot of this country will not currently believe something unless it comes straight from trump
it matters