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Nov 5 2020 09:18am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 5 2020 09:13am)
trump and how he's treated is a self fulfilling prophecy.

he rose through the GOP ranks using inflammatory statements and harsh rhetoric as a tool to get free press, that was his choice initially. but it set the course for his next 5 years of media treatment in a chicken/egg relationship. trump blames media, media blames trump, ad nauseum.

i do agree especially tho that a GOP senate and weakened house will check biden or even president kamala should it come to that.


All good points.

I obviously voted for the guy, but me and a lot his other voters, definitely agree the guy needed to keep his mouth closed and his fingers off the tweet button more. Guy needed to just roll a little bit more with the punches at times instead of lashing back out. Probably turned away a lot of potential voters to be honest.

Not helpful at all.

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Nov 5 2020 09:20am
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All good points.

I obviously voted for the guy, but me and a lot his other voters, definitely agree the guy needed to keep his mouth closed and his fingers off the tweet button more. Guy needed to just roll a little bit more with the punches at times instead of lashing back out. Probably turned away a lot of potential voters to be honest.

Not helpful at all.


on ABC news the Iowa anchor said many of the trump voters she interviewed said the same thing, "we want them to take away his twitter" lol.
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Nov 5 2020 09:21am
I was thinking about this actually. Considering how close some of these races are, coming down to literally tens of thousands of people those jojo votes could have poached the win away from orange.

I voted libertarian but I live in a inconsequential non battle ground state like NY. Some of these people might regret it when they end up with someone like Biden who is categorically worse for most things libertarians care about.
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Nov 5 2020 09:32am
im glad people vote the way they feel is best, even if it costs other candidates here and there.

and there’s not evidence to suggest one candidate would get enough of the libertarian votes. traditionally maybe but this election i’d wager closer to 50/50 or 60/40 one way
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Nov 5 2020 09:40am
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I was thinking about this actually. Considering how close some of these races are, coming down to literally tens of thousands of people those jojo votes could have poached the win away from orange.

I voted libertarian but I live in a inconsequential non battle ground state like NY. Some of these people might regret it when they end up with someone like Biden who is categorically worse for most things libertarians care about.


I don't think so.

This whole, "You must vote dem so the Republican doesn't get in" or "You must vote GOP so the dem doesn't get in" is all horseshit. Even in school they spread the lie about how it's a 2 party system and any vote for any other party is throwing your vote away. Pure indoctrination.

The bottom line is you should vote FOR the candidate you believe will do the best job in the role, be it Pres, House, Sheriff, or whatever. If you ever find yourself voting "against" a candidate with the sole purpose of making them lose, you really are throwing your vote away.

You don't "illicit positive change" by doing the same shit people have been doing year after year. You simply become the new boomer.
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Nov 5 2020 09:49am
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im glad people vote the way they feel is best, even if it costs other candidates here and there.

and there’s not evidence to suggest one candidate would get enough of the libertarian votes. traditionally maybe but this election i’d wager closer to 50/50 or 60/40 one way


exactly, my vote for kanye wasnt a waste, hes the future.
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Nov 5 2020 09:55am
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im glad people vote the way they feel is best, even if it costs other candidates here and there.

and there’s not evidence to suggest one candidate would get enough of the libertarian votes. traditionally maybe but this election i’d wager closer to 50/50 or 60/40 one way


I really don't think the breakdown is 50/50. I genuinely think it leans right. It leans right IMO because conservatives have more tally boxes checked for what most libertarians care about.

Lower taxes
2nd Amendment
lower spending
individualism
anti-war (only recently became a 'right' point with Trump but won't stick)
meanwhile democrats have the

no borders
social issues(gay marriage, etc)

These are just a few observations off the top of my head but overwhelmingly libertarians in this country at least from my observation really care much more for some of the first mentioned issues which you can't really argue republicans are more aligned

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Nov 5 2020 10:01am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 5 2020 09:55am)
I really don't think the breakdown is 50/50. I genuinely think it leans right. It leans right IMO because conservatives have more tally boxes checked for what most libertarians care about.

Lower taxes
2nd Amendment
lower spending
individualism
anti-war (only recently became a 'right' point with Trump but won't stick)
meanwhile democrats have the

no borders
social issues(gay marriage, etc)

These are just a few observations off the top of my head but overwhelmingly libertarians in this country at least from my observation really care much more for some of the first mentioned issues which you can't really argue republicans are more aligned


You can take lower spending off Republicans list
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Nov 5 2020 10:03am
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You can take lower spending off Republicans list


And second amendment. The only gun control in our lives is the brady bill.

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Nov 5 2020 10:07am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 5 2020 11:01am)
You can take lower spending off Republicans list


No

The republicans also spend therefore they're not generally for lower spending is a dumb point ignorant of reality.

All you have to do is look at the recent bill for a second round covid relief. Republicans wanted something like 1.2 T meanwhile democrats wanted like 2.2

Generally speaking republicans want to spend less, with military spending being the exception.
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