With the polling we have right now, your scenario would only happen if the same "undecided" % of voters are still Trump voters. You believe this? Feels bad man.

They have already gotten ballots thrown out if they aren't received by election day in Wisconsin, now couple that with the fact that Trump and his cronies have gone out of their way to delay mail and his postmaster illegally ignoring court orders and this could literally be a stolen election.

We may see Trump lose the popular vote by 10%, but because he played fast and loose with the rules and used his supreme court picks he still wins.

If that is the case it means the country is basically unsalvageable and you're going to see a brain drain like never before as the smart ones get out before the inevitable instability resulting from lack of trust in the government to do even the most basic things.

I think the polls notoriously undercount Trump supporters.

Why?



Are you referring to faithless electors?

I'm always in awe at how direct and shameless your republicans can be really. I know it's one of the bigger symptoms of having a two party system and voters choosing to side with their political sports team but it always manages to surprise me.

All in all, they're like 3 times better at wielding power than democrats are because they don't constantly think about if they're crossing a line.




I think everyone knows this fact, I guess how much it influences the election results depends on how much someone thinks the polls undercount them. In any case, we'll know very soon, for better or worse. You could pray to your Gamer Altar™ maybe it'll work.

This post was edited by Helloween7 on Nov 1 2020 09:30pm

what do you think would be a fair deadline to determine whether or not a ballot has been received on time?

Any time before electors have to cast their votes as long as they are post marked by election day.

Anything less means you are throwing out ballots that are cast in a way that the state said was fine.

And I think if the post office doesn't deliver them on time it should be an open and shut case for a constitutional violation against the state for violating your right to vote.

I don't think it's by design or intention, but merely the coincidental result. Trump supporters aren't as active and involved with polling groups and generally have a negative view of polls/the media at-large. I think it's part of their "Silent Majority" mantra.



The thing is too is that several of the polls seek to create insight into national voting trends which mean absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters is a select handful of swing states due to the shitty Electoral College. This election all eyes are on PA, WI, AZ, GA, and FL. TX is there too, but it's not as likely to go blue this year.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Nov 1 2020 09:42pm

Would you mind sharing with me the source that led you to the bolded conclusion?

This article ( https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-wisconsin-elections-courts-voting-2020-d2e673d8ac950d2ebd964c69a03e99af ) says



this was an overturn of a previous federal decision ( https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-wisconsin-elections-courts-voting-2020-0a1dd66665dff0f338c1afe23f920f66 ) which says:



So I'm curious how you arrive at the characterization of "in a way that the state said was fine". The original rule was that they had to be received by election day. What entity exactly constitutes "the state" who decided to extend it? At what point did "the state" (not federal) decide on the extension?

This post was edited by Kayeto on Nov 1 2020 09:55pm

Really this comes down to Trump intentionally slowing down the mail. If you are allowed to vote absentee as long as it's received as a specific time, and then the executive explicitly undertakes actions to slow that down to make your ballot not arrive on time, that's a clear violation of your right to vote. I think that a ballot is unambiguously "cast" as long as it's postmarked on election day, and it being in the possession of the postal service is functionally indistinguishable from being received in the clerk's office since it's out of your hands and into an official purveyor of the ballot.