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Oct 28 2020 09:29pm
whats the question? tldr version
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Oct 28 2020 09:35pm
Quote (proccy @ Oct 28 2020 08:28pm)
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Oct 28 2020 09:48pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 28 2020 04:38pm)
What do you think the Right needs to do to stop this trajectory and get more young people on their side?


basically, morph into a hybrid of conservative and libertarian.

As the boomers die off, there will become fewer and fewer people that remember how good the pre-9/11 job market was. So there will be no political capital to be gained by advocating the idea of recapturing our glory days.



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I think the bolded part is the central issue of the Right going forward. They must get rid of politically toxic market radicalism policies.
Other than that, I dont think that the Right actually needs to offer its own vision of progress to remain competitive. Promising to conserve will be good enough. Here's why I think that:

In a world of increasing global competition, dwindling natural resources and overpopulation, and with automation looming on the horizon, the inter- and intranational distributional struggles will only get more ferocious over the coming decades. In first world countries, promising to preserve our current way of life and to protect our wealth and national identity will become more and more attractive.

When it comes to social/cultural issues, more and more people will be put off by the excesses of the radical lefties. Simply promising to stand against further steps toward woke dystopia will easily be good enough. It will even be more clever for the Right to position itself as the party of preserving the status quo rather than trying to sell people on dialing back the wheel of time.


Although the radical left will continue to alienate people and put them off to radical left ideals, the general trend on social/cultural issues is that younger generations are more accepting and socially liberal than previous generations, and I believe this will continue irrespective of the impact of the radical left. The reality is that the right is losing ground on newer generations, and unless a shift in the party happens I can't imagine that they'll recover their losses. Even within self-identified Republicans from Gen Z we've already seen some inter-party differences:

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Among Republicans and those who lean to the Republican Party, there are striking differences between Generation Z and older generations on social and political issues. In their views on race, Gen Z Republicans are more likely than older generations of Republicans to say blacks are treated less fairly than whites in the U.S. today. Fully 43% of Republican Gen Zers say this, compared with 30% of Millennial Republicans and roughly two-in-ten Gen X, Boomer and Silent Generation Republicans.

Gen Z Republicans are much more likely than older generations of Republicans to desire an increased government role in solving problems. About half (52%) of Republican Gen Zers say government should do more, compared with 38% of Millennials, 29% of Gen Xers and even smaller shares among older generations. And the youngest Republicans are less likely than their older counterparts to attribute the earth’s warming temperatures to natural patterns, as opposed to human activity (18% of Gen Z Republicans say this, compared with three-in-ten or more among older generations of Republicans).
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Oct 28 2020 10:16pm
Quote (fender @ Oct 29 2020 11:09am)
this is exactly why in central and northern europe, some of the happiest, healthiest, safest, most prosperous, best educated, and free countries in the world "left economic policies" have no chance... oh wait, those are the "socialist" hellholes that the american right (and establishment) tries to make you people so afraid of, whenever someone who is not beholden to big pharma, wall street, fossil fuel, and the defence industry suggests implementing similar policies...


different political systems then US.
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Quote (bogie160 @ 28 Oct 2020 17:02)
To a certain extent this problem takes care of itself. Left economic policies appeal to low income, low education demographics. The youth tend to check off both boxes. They're not in a great situation and someone is promising them the moon. That's more appealing than a diet of hard work and sacrifice. As people age, there's a mild but general tendency for them to move (economically) to the right/center, if only because they now have financial assets worth protecting.

The right (specifically eschewing the word "conservative") needs to seize back control of education. We underestimate the impact that public teaching, as currently constructed, has on the youth. Teachers are low paid, poorly qualified union workers whose one job perk is benefits and job security. It should be a surprise to no one that they largely champion job security and tenure over meritocracy and benefits over higher salary. To change the culture you must first change the economic circumstances. Make teachers higher paid and increase qualifications. Dismantle teacher unions and fire inadequate teachers.

On the other side of the spectrum, the right needs to more broadly incorporate some elements of economic populism. Similar to how Bismarck introduced social welfare as the "carrot" to his "stick (a heavy handed crackdown on socialists), the right needs to incentivize ideological loyalty. You cannot expect to be backed by voters whose basic material needs you refuse to meet.


astute as always. with you and (when he isnt being a troll) its hard to argue against most of your posts. they’re often in tune with reality and i enjoy them so well done to both you
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