I think we really have to distinguish between economic issues and social/cultural issues. The GOP has move to the left on economic issues ever since 2014. And rightfully so. Even Trump's sharpest critics should acknowledge that he has buried fiscal conservatism in the GOP once and for all.



Not actually true. His campaign frames and sells him as this uber-moderate, but his actual platform is actually very liberal. Many pundits say his platform is more progressive than Clinton's from 2016 or Obama's from 2008/12. Some even say its the most progressive since McGovern in 1972.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/21/opinions/biden-may-seem-like-centrist-but-his-platform-is-progressive-chen/index.html
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/17/barack-obama/joe-bidens-platform-progressive-obama-says/

As I was saying it’s natural the US tendency to move left, we are still far behind our global colleagues. Saying he’s more liberal than those 1-5 decades ago isn’t much of a statement or surprise imo

You have AOC/Bernie types who are becoming increasingly popular. There certainly could have been a more liberal option both in 2016 and now

My own views on economic issues have not shifted a lot over the course of my life, I've always been and still am centrist on issues of taxes, healthcare, deficits, government spending, business regulations and such.

My views did take several sharp turns to the right on cultural issues and issues of national sovereignty though. The two most notable ones came during the euro crisis in 2011 et seqq., and during the European refugee crisis in 2015 et seqq. Since then, I've adopted very right-leaning/hawkish views on national identity as well as fiscal and territorial sovereignty. The press coverage of the refugee crisis and the Trump presidency has also caused me to adopt a very hardline stance against the mainstream media and against any infringements of free speech.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2020 05:30pm

"Very Liberal" by American standards means totally common sense things.

I fundamentally disagree with this relativism. If David Duke ran and suddenly got 28% of the vote during the Republican primaries, this wouldnt make Trump's stances any more moderate either.

And once again: we have to distinguish between economic and cultural issues. On economic issues, there is still room to move left in the U.S. On cultural issues, the current Democratic party imho has already moved too far to the left, and going even further would be a step toward dystopia.




On economic issues yes, on cultural issues no. Also note that this does not refute my original point that Biden's platform is "very liberal" (by American standards).

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2020 05:29pm

Fairly interesting.
You seem more reasonable than some of the other people that I imagine hold similar views to you here. So if you want to reply.

1. Why do you care what piece of dirt you were born on?
2. why do you believe you have any claim to it?
3. If an outside person could have the ability to have a larger positive impact on the society in question than you do, why would/should we keep you, but not let them in?
We can already assume person in question 3 exists because we know there are bad people in any society.

The schooling is very left leaning but over the years it became evident as a load of hogwash

My initial post was in regards to economic standpoint. How many Americans is bezos worth etc. the landscape right now as rarely been more skewed and economically America has quite some distance to travel. I am not talking about traditional fiscal conservatism. It does not exist anymore to any degree in modern American politics on either side

Culturally I am not sure I agree either. I think culture is too broad a topic, you can measure it using a number of different examples. Take covid for example, a more progressive stance in regards to covid, especially earlier on, would have had different results. Which areas culturally do you think America is max liberal on?

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 15 2020 05:42pm

1. Because the luck of being born in a wealthy, peaceful, well-functioning society like Germany is a great privilege and enabled me to live a very good life.

2. Because my forefathers built this country. Because I pay a lot of taxes to keep it running. Because I have, through my upbringing, adopted the education, knowledge, mindset and yes, culture, that make this place so wealthy, peaceful and successful in the first place. People who were unlucky enough to be born in shithole countries are not personally responsible for this unfortunate fate. But in the statistical average, they will nonetheless, through no fault of their own, have adopted the shithole culture of the place they grew up in.

3. There is no moral justification. I'm just a selfish bastard who doesnt want to give any of his privilege away, and who will fight tooth and nail against any stupid motherfucker who has the audacity to try to take any of my privilege away.

I should add that I am not against immigration per se, I am just against poverty/third world immigration, and against immigration which only serves to undercut domestic wages. I welcome highly-qualified immigrants in fields where we have a genuine shortage of workers. And I can absolutely live with immigrants who are having a relatively neutral economic impact, but are well-integrated/assimilated into our society.