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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 8 2020 08:12am)
Paying less for a better, same, or even slightly worse employee. thats called business.



Meanwhile all these companies are at all time highs with record profits while the labor force participation rates continues to go down.

#progress
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Paying less for a better, same, or even slightly worse employee. thats called business.


Does anyone actually believe that the masses would still favor and worship capitalism when it no longer works to their advantage?


The more the relative privilege of the Western World, compared to everyone else, is eroded by the neoliberal version of globalization that we've been experiencing for the past 5 decades (manifested by things like trade, outsourcing, migration, etc.), the more they will flock to either socialism or nativism.
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Meanwhile all these companies are at all time highs with record profits while the labor force participation rates continues to go down.

#progress


commie void

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 8 2020 08:16am)
Does anyone actually believe that the masses would still favor and worship capitalism when it no longer works to their advantage?


The more the relative privilege of the Western World, compared to everyone else, is eroded by the neoliberal version of globalization that we've been experiencing for the past 5 decades (manifested by things like trade, outsourcing, migration, etc.), the more they will flock to either socialism or nativism.


ive been saying the same for years. u think outsourcing is bad wait until the snake of capitalism truly eats itself via automation. some will happily take 25k$/year via UBI and a food package every month and sit on the internet all day, others will try to stop it and die in the streets.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 8 2020 08:16am)
Does anyone actually believe that the masses would still favor and worship capitalism when it no longer works to their advantage?


The more the relative privilege of the Western World, compared to everyone else, is eroded by the neoliberal version of globalization that we've been experiencing for the past 5 decades (manifested by things like trade, outsourcing, migration, etc.), the more they will flock to either socialism or nativism.


I think globalization is the natural course for unchecked corporatism

There is no turning back now
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I think globalization is the natural course for unchecked corporatism

There is no turning back now


Globalization is inevitable. A neoliberal take on globalization is not.

Currently, we're experiencing - like you say - a corporate take on globalization, one in which multinationals are unchecked and can pit wages, worker protection laws, environmental regulations and tax codes against each other, to create a global race to the bottom which in the long run only serves the top 0.1%. But it doesnt have to be this way.

Yes, some of the damage that's already been done might be irreversible - but most of the damage that would come in the future if we stay on this course can still be prevented. The election of Trump was, in a certain sense, a haphazard attempt at such a course correction. Didnt work out as well as I and many others had hoped for, but that's more due to his personal flaws and weaknesses than the underlying idea/platform being impossible.

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Globalization is inevitable. A neoliberal take on globalization is not.

Currently, we're experiencing - like you say - a corporate take on globalization, one in which multinationals are unchecked and can pit wages, worker protection laws, environmental regulations and tax codes against each other, to create a global race to the bottom which in the long run only serves the top 0.1%. But it doesnt have to be this way.

Yes, some of the damage that's already been done might be irreversible - but most of the damage that would come in the future if we stay on this course can still be prevented. The election of Trump was, in a certain sense, a haphazard attempt at such a course correction. Didnt work out as well as I and many others had hoped for, but that's more due to his personal flaws and weaknesses than the underlying idea/platform being impossible.



I am uneducated on this tbh. What do you really do to prevent it going forward. It seems by simultaneously preventing it you are inhibiting scientific prowess at the same time. Mainly in regards to automation which will end up being cheaper than Chinese/Indian/Mexican workers anyway. Environmental regulations will be inevitable to a degree

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Globalization is inevitable. A neoliberal take on globalization is not.

Currently, we're experiencing - like you say - a corporate take on globalization, one in which multinationals are unchecked and can pit wages, worker protection laws, environmental regulations and tax codes against each other, to create a global race to the bottom which in the long run only serves the top 0.1%. But it doesnt have to be this way.

Yes, some of the damage that's already been done might be irreversible - but most of the damage that would come in the future if we stay on this course can still be prevented. The election of Trump was, in a certain sense, a haphazard attempt at such a course correction. Didnt work out as well as I and many others had hoped for, but that's more due to his personal flaws and weaknesses than the underlying idea/platform being impossible.


Trump's anti-globalization plan comes from Stephen Miller, and is basically tariff everything until china taps out. it doesnt work in a 2 party system when China maintains power for decades and every 4-8 years the other party nukes all of your tariffs. china will just wait for biden or harris or whomever, then its business as usual.

it's like a wrench on a flat head. the tool could work but not in that application. the idea that it could ever work was not only silly but cost the American worker and consumer a bunch of cash for a 4-8 year symbolic attack on China as a campaign promise.

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Trump's anti-globalization plan comes from Stephen Miller, and is basically tariff everything until china taps out. it doesnt work in a 2 party system when China maintains power for decades and every 4-8 years the other party nukes all of your tariffs. china will just wait for biden or harris or whomever, then its business as usual.

it's like a wrench on a flat head. the tool could work but not in that application. the idea that it could ever work was not only silly but cost the American worker and consumer a bunch of cash for a 4-8 year symbolic attack on China as a campaign promise.


It's not all or nothing, worked vs failed. It's a very wide spectrum. More countries now more than ever have adopted a view that acknowledges China as a predatory nation, in part due to our leadership.

It forces them to acknowledge issues and make some concessions. I prefer that over cuck 'they're fucking us and it hurts to do something about it, so lets just let them go on with it' perspective.

Why would China not annex Taiwan, colonize Africa, encroach on India & basically all their neighbors if the see the hegemon of the world fold?
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Meanwhile all these companies are at all time highs with record profits while the labor force participation rates continues to go down.

#progress


Thats called capitalism.

Profit over all else
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It's not all or nothing, worked vs failed. It's a very wide spectrum. More countries now more than ever have adopted a view that acknowledges China as a predatory nation, in part due to our leadership.

It forces them to acknowledge issues and make some concessions. I prefer that over cuck 'they're fucking us and it hurts to do something about it, so lets just let them go on with it' perspective.

Why would China not annex Taiwan, colonize Africa, encroach on India & basically all their neighbors if the see the hegemon of the world fold?


Part of countering China is our military presence over there... do you support that?
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