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Sep 14 2020 10:15pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Sep 14 2020 11:12pm)
Sure point taken. But the defunding narrative needs to be more about disallowing the shit they get off of war surplus. We need cops, but cops don’t need tanks. Maybe they need some hefty guns in the armory if shit really goes crazy. But all this to say money needs to be spent on cops, but for better training, not more weapons. I’m not against lowering how much funding the cops get but to go all out like some people want is just not a good idea.


Defunding also means getting people like social workers and healthcare workers to be available when necessary, so they aren't sending police with guns to calm down an autistic teenager.

Police departments buying military surplus is fucking stupid, agreed, we need to get rid of that all together.
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Sep 14 2020 10:27pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 14 2020 09:15pm)
Defunding also means getting people like social workers and healthcare workers to be available when necessary


Complete fallacy
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Sep 14 2020 10:28pm
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What do you think defunding the police means?


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.amp.html

I prefer to just ask the activists.
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Sep 14 2020 10:31pm
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Defunding also means getting people like social workers and healthcare workers to be available when necessary, so they aren't sending police with guns to calm down an autistic teenager.

Police departments buying military surplus is fucking stupid, agreed, we need to get rid of that all together.



Yes. You are spot on about having healthcare professionals deal with some situations as opposed to cops. Would save us all a lot of time and money. Keep in mind the hardcore right wingers would say that it makes us all safer to let cops get crazy firepower, but in reality, that’s just a smoke screen to fuck over the impoverished people by evaporating tax cash on more guns for cops instead of better health care for all.

The maga crowd is probably gonna come after me for that redpill but fuk it.
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Sep 14 2020 10:35pm
Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Sep 15 2020 12:31am)
Yes. You are spot on about having healthcare professionals deal with some situations as opposed to cops. Would save us all a lot of time and money. Keep in mind the hardcore right wingers would say that it makes us all safer to let cops get crazy firepower, but in reality, that’s just a smoke screen to fuck over the impoverished people by evaporating tax cash on more guns for cops instead of better health care for all.

The maga crowd is probably gonna come after me for that redpill but fuk it.


Staffing specialists to deal with a handful of cases per speciality will undoubtably cost more money, not less.
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Staffing specialists to deal with a handful of cases per speciality will undoubtably cost more money, not less.



I would rather pay a few social workers 40-50k a year each than have a cop shoot an autistic kid who didn’t deserve it. Sounds a lot cheaper to not have innocent people get unjustly assaulted by the cops who can then sue the cops which will cost much more than what would have been spent on social workers. That is* our money whenever the cops fuck up big and then have to pay out. While I am no fan of autistic ppl (they frequently don’t understand empathy and lack respect for things they don’t feel have value to them, but not their fault. Just lettin you know I was studying to be a psychiatrist until I actually had to shadow one and help. What a nightmare... Another reason why cops are bad at handling those types of situations: lack of education and understanding.) they still don’t deserve to be shot by cops because they’re having a meltdown. Nor does anyone for that matter. Cops resort to lethal force for the littlest things and escalate situations that could easily be* resolved by simply listening and trying to assuage fears rather than amplify them.

It’s clear you didn’t read the entirety of my posts. If we stopped spending money on tanks and excessive firepower for the cops, there would be plenty of money to be spent on said social workers.

This post was edited by AleKsRoBerto on Sep 14 2020 10:58pm
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Sep 14 2020 11:04pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 14 2020 11:35pm)
Staffing specialists to deal with a handful of cases per speciality will undoubtably cost more money, not less.


You don't really need specialists. Just a few social workers who know how to elevate the situation as needed. I.e. when to call an ambulance and when to just try to calm them down. As opposed to, ya know, shooting them.

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So you prefer to grab for the most extreme interpretation. Good to know, I'll do that next time you say something I don't like.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 14 2020 10:04pm)
You don't really need specialists. Just a few social workers who know how to elevate the situation as needed. I.e. when to call an ambulance and when to just try to calm them down. As opposed to, ya know, shooting them.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 14 2020 09:35pm)
Staffing specialists to deal with a handful of cases per speciality will undoubtably cost more money, not less.



So you prefer to grab for the most extreme interpretation. Good to know, I'll do that next time you say something I don't like.



Yeee I like how I pointed out I’m opposed to extremism (and even specifically the idea of totally defunding law enforcement) yet they are using leftist extremist bs in an attempt to strawman my ideas.

This post was edited by AleKsRoBerto on Sep 14 2020 11:26pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 15 2020 01:04am)
You don't really need specialists. Just a few social workers who know how to elevate the situation as needed. I.e. when to call an ambulance and when to just try to calm them down. As opposed to, ya know, shooting them.



So you prefer to grab for the most extreme interpretation. Good to know, I'll do that next time you say something I don't like.


He hasn't been intellectually honest in awhile.
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Quote (proccy @ Sep 15 2020 12:27am)
Complete fallacy


You should educate yourself.
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