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Sep 11 2020 10:03am
Quote (Theology @ Sep 11 2020 08:59am)
The fact that he isn't playing puppet for the republican party is good in my opinion. Sometimes you have to kiss ass in this world. Just being able to talk to Kim without it completely going to shit is a win. We have needed to focus on North Korea for a long time. We should of been doing it when Bush was president. Instead we started a war with Iraq because a rogue Saudi Arabian group attacked us. The Republican and Democratic parties are both a major problem and have been for a long time. Anyone who sticks to the same shit is delusional. We are literally insane because every 4 years we do the same shit expecting different results. I never said I liked or voted for Trump because I don't. However he is far not the worse. Obama couldn't even be bothered when the Embassy in Syria was attacked let. You want to talk about vacations Obama went golfing and swagged out with biden over social media. I liked Obama til the end I think he mishandled a lot. I am not a fan for the wall but the people have spoken they voted Trump they voted for the wall. Anyone stopping it is stopping the Democracy we Americans are so proud about.


Imagine living in a country where 2 parties control the whole thing and when something goes wrong each party points his finger at the other. Sounds like grade school to me.


Obama vacationed less than your normal president... so yes, I will bring up vacations when talking about the president who has vacationed more on average than any president in history.

As far as talks with North Korea, the dialogue hasn't gone anywhere before because the previous leaders actually wanted to accomplish something with their meetings, while Trump rolled out the red carpet and sucked his dick as a PR stunt. How do you not understand the difference?

I loathe the current state of politics in the United States, but Trump wasn't and still isn't the man to make a difference. He personifies everything horrible about this country in the worst ways imaginable and rather than outrage from the Republicans, most of them completely change their tune as to what's acceptable to be in with the Trump party, as to not hurt their reelection chances.

I'll take mediocrity over disaster any day of the fucking week, and it shouldn't even be up for debate who the more qualified and better candidate is.

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Sep 11 2020 10:10am
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Obama vacationed less than your normal president... so yes, I will bring up vacations when talking about the president who has vacationed more on average than any president in history.

As far as talks with North Korea, the dialogue hasn't gone anywhere before because the previous leaders actually wanted to accomplish something with their meetings, while Trump rolled out the red carpet and sucked his dick as a PR stunt. How do you not understand the difference?

I loathe the current state of politics in the United States, but Trump wasn't and still isn't the man to make a difference. He personifies everything horrible about this country in the worst ways imaginable and rather than outrage from the Republicans, most of them completely change their tune as to what's acceptable to be in with the Trump party, as to not hurt their reelection chances.

I'll take mediocrity over disaster any day of the fucking week, and it shouldn't even be up for debate who the more qualified and better candidate is.


I mean honestly America in general have a bad rep for telling other countries what to do. Why does treating Kim like we treat every other world leader lead to dick sucking? We can not just shove democracy down everyone's throats.

Edit: The past world leaders allowed this to happen when we pulled out of Korea after the war. The demilitarized zone has done nothing. Obama barely had a chance after Bush and he went in after Clinton who despite his love og blowies was not a bad president.

Trump may be an idiot but he is not the biggest problem. Congress is the problem they are all stuck in the 1950s.

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Sep 11 2020 10:14am
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I mean honestly America in general have a bad rep for telling other countries what to do. Why does treating Kim like we treat every other world leader lead to dick sucking? We can not just shove democracy down everyone's throats


It has nothing to do with shoving democracy down someone's throat.... past Presidents and this one have wanted to limit NKs nuclear capabilities because of what could potentially happen to SK. All the other presidents have taken a hardline stance on this and so did Donald until he realized Kim wouldn't meet with him if nuclear would even be discussed. Rather than showing even the slightest bit of integrity, Trump caved completely, told Kim that he treats his people super well and that he wished American people treated him like they treat Kim. He accomplished nothing but further legitimizing a nightmarish dictator who's starving his people all so he could have a photo op. How can anyone not see how depraved that is? Plenty of presidents have done horrible shit, but marking up some horribly degrading shit a guy did as a PR stunt as a win for the country, makes ZERO sense.
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Sep 11 2020 10:22am
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It has nothing to do with shoving democracy down someone's throat.... past Presidents and this one have wanted to limit NKs nuclear capabilities because of what could potentially happen to SK. All the other presidents have taken a hardline stance on this and so did Donald until he realized Kim wouldn't meet with him if nuclear would even be discussed. Rather than showing even the slightest bit of integrity, Trump caved completely, told Kim that he treats his people super well and that he wished American people treated him like they treat Kim. He accomplished nothing but further legitimizing a nightmarish dictator who's starving his people all so he could have a photo op. How can anyone not see how depraved that is? Plenty of presidents have done horrible shit, but marking up some horribly degrading shit a guy did as a PR stunt as a win for the country, makes ZERO sense.


Well tbh Its not the American Presidents place to tell Kim what he or North Korea should or should not do. That is a job for an ambassador from the UN. How can we tell him to denucularize when we are improving our nucular powers? How would you handle North Korea? The same way as every other past president? Cause thats obviously worked right? South Korea is not our responsibility. As harsh as that may seem that is the truth.
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Sep 11 2020 10:26am
Quote (Theology @ Sep 11 2020 09:22am)
Well tbh Its not the American Presidents place to tell Kim what he or North Korea should or should not do. That is a job for an ambassador from the UN. How can we tell him to denucularize when we are improving our nucular powers? How would you handle North Korea? The same way as every other past president? Cause thats obviously worked right? South Korea is not our responsibility. As harsh as that may seem that is the truth.


So, what's the point of taking a hardline stance on denuclearization, changing your tune last minute to still get the meeting, and then claiming it went great and that NK will definitely denuclearize because of your meeting?

You seen woefully ignorant of what took place leading up, during and following this meeting....

There is no easy solution, nothing the UN says or America says is going to make a fuck-all bit of difference. The only possible solution would be improving American Chinese relations and having China impose restrictions on NK until they slow their nuclear program or pull back on hostilities with SK. You know, common fucking sense.
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#46
Sep 11 2020 10:36am
"OBAMA IS WEAK FOR WANTING TO SIT DOWN WITH KIM. OBAMA IS COZYING UP WITH DICTATORS!!!"


And now we have turnip being praised for doing it. How quaint.
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Sep 11 2020 10:37am
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So, what's the point of taking a hardline stance on denuclearization, changing your tune last minute to still get the meeting, and then claiming it went great and that NK will definitely denuclearize because of your meeting?

You seen woefully ignorant of what took place leading up, during and following this meeting....

There is no easy solution, nothing the UN says or America says is going to make a fuck-all bit of difference. The only possible solution would be improving American Chinese relations and having China impose restrictions on NK until they slow their nuclear program or pull back on hostilities with SK. You know, common fucking sense.


China is almost as bad as North Korea good luck with that.
I might be ignorant because I follow very little news as they to have an agenda and only share parts of the story. The leaders of the world knew what there were leaving behind when they ended the Korean war and set up the Demilitarized Zone. We have a better chance strengthening our ties with Russia then China and most of Congress hate Russia. Even the media pushes false Russian influenced voting lmao. To answer your question though some dialogue is better then no dialogue. You also must understand that it isn't just all Trump he does have advisors. If you think China is the only one who might have success in making North Korea toe the line. Then why are you so upset that Trump didn't even attempt? You realize if he had it could of just caused further tension between us and North Korea? Sometimes you have to choose your battles. If it was not a winnable battle why fight it?

WANTING TO SIT DOWN WITH KIM. OBAMA IS COZYING UP WITH DICTATORS!!!"


And now we have turnip being praised for doing it. How quaint.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone said Obama was weak when it came to North Korea.



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Sep 11 2020 11:15am
Politics is a smokescreen for the common folk while politicians line their pockets by pushing their personal agendas to gullible followers who will support them.

If you think any of them actually care for making your country/community a better place, you’re blind.

E: This goes for ALL of them, it doesn’t matter what country or party or system

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Sep 11 2020 11:41am
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Politics is a smokescreen for the common folk while politicians line their pockets by pushing their personal agendas to gullible followers who will support them.

If you think any of them actually care for making your country/community a better place, you’re blind.

E: This goes for ALL of them, it doesn’t matter what country or party or system


You almost have it. The truth lies, as is always the case, in the middle.

Politicians are generally driven simultaneously by personal aims, the repayment of debts that got them to their positions, and a sincere desire to do good.

The problem, though, is not only that the third motivation must overpower the first two, but also that ALL humans are inherently flawed and at best the desire to do good is only halfways effective at actually DOING good, and even in these cases is often only effective in the long term but we do not afford our politicians the benefit of longterm aims. Equally as often the long term effect of the desire to do good is actually a net negative.

The desire to do good is, therefore, not even an indication of whether or not a leader is capable of actually doing good. I think Bernie Sanders, for example, has a supreme desire to do good and also a supreme inability to do good had he been elected.

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Sep 11 2020 12:46pm
Quote (Theology @ Sep 11 2020 09:37am)
China is almost as bad as North Korea good luck with that.
I might be ignorant because I follow very little news as they to have an agenda and only share parts of the story. The leaders of the world knew what there were leaving behind when they ended the Korean war and set up the Demilitarized Zone. We have a better chance strengthening our ties with Russia then China and most of Congress hate Russia. Even the media pushes false Russian influenced voting lmao. To answer your question though some dialogue is better then no dialogue. You also must understand that it isn't just all Trump he does have advisors. If you think China is the only one who might have success in making North Korea toe the line. Then why are you so upset that Trump didn't even attempt? You realize if he had it could of just caused further tension between us and North Korea? Sometimes you have to choose your battles. If it was not a winnable battle why fight it?

WANTING TO SIT DOWN WITH KIM. OBAMA IS COZYING UP WITH DICTATORS!!!"


And now we have turnip being praised for doing it. How quaint.


You're still missing the point entirely and I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over.

You'll believe whatever you want, regardless of the facts. The meeting with NK was nothing but a publicity stunt, it did nothing but strengthen Kim while weakening how America is viewed. If you truly can't see how trying to run the presidency like it's a reality show and caring about ratings more than results is bad for the nation, then I don't know why you pretend to care about politics in the first place.

Saying Trump has advisors is probably the most laughable thing you've said though. Yes, he does, ones he ignores and gets rid of if they don't step in line with the cult. Every single of them said he should pull out of the meeting if they refused to discuss a single one of the points that were the basis for having the meeting, but Trump wanted his photoshoot.

Quote (Roses @ Sep 11 2020 10:15am)
Politics is a smokescreen for the common folk while politicians line their pockets by pushing their personal agendas to gullible followers who will support them.

If you think any of them actually care for making your country/community a better place, you’re blind.

E: This goes for ALL of them, it doesn’t matter what country or party or system


This is absolutely true and it's despicable, but there's always going to be a lesser of two bad things. Usually the lines are pretty blurred and it's impossible to know which of the shitty options will be better or worse. With the last election and this coming one, it's never been more clear.


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