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Jul 24 2020 05:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2020 04:48pm)
Yeah... I remember the general incident and aftermath well. It's just weird that there's so many people in the thread shitting on WaPo without actually posting what WaPo wrote.


I described what they did with the "Children in cages" story

It's not hard to just read their website, too. Dunno why you expect to be spoonfed these stories which were top10 at the time they came out :lol:
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Jul 24 2020 05:57pm
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There never seems to be actual outrage from the right, unless it involves white guys as the victim and certain groups(media, liberals, Democrats) as the perpetrators. And deflecting onto fringe groups, as you just did, is a tactic the right uses which highlights that they really don't give a shit about the underlying incidents.

It's simply the nature of news media that people react in real time to events. I don't know what WaPo got sued for, because any time this thread comes up nobody ever posts articles, but it's not that big of a deal. "We're going to wait to react to this video showing the stereotypical racist incident until we have 10 more angles" is just being unrealistic. This applies to left, right, and fact-based media.

I think you've just moved further into your bubble and aren't exposed to differing viewpoints, except when presented by people who agree with you.

george floyd’s death was almost universally condemned except by people like you. you’re obsessed with race because you are a self-loathing bitter berned out racist who wasted all your pale pasty lefty privilege and to top it off you hate your own mother for giving birth to you.

Quote (thundercock @ 24 Jul 2020 18:45)
White fragility. It's not even a right/left issue either. White liberals are more offended on behalf of minorities because they can't imagine a world where THEY aren't in control. White liberals are the ones who HAVE to save everyone. On the other side, you have a bunch of butt hurt white right-wingers who cry when anyone criticizes their race. It's really pathetic.

you described icepeon to a T there and yeah, it is a little pathetic
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Jul 24 2020 05:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 24 2020 07:48pm)
Yeah... I remember the general incident and aftermath well. It's just weird that there's so many people in the thread shitting on WaPo without actually posting what WaPo wrote.


http://www.ka-electronics.com/images/pdf/Sandmann_v_Washington_Post_Complaint.pdf

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When one side breaks the social contract you can't really hold it against the other for breaking it as well. We haven't reasonably followed the social contract in this country, and as a result a significant portion of people are following the example that has been set.


"Some people get away with murder, therefore I can't fault murderers" is a pretty out there take.

Beyond that, it's fundamentally a mistake to conflate looters and murderers with protesters. If the left's mindset truly is "If I don't get what I want, I'll rape and kill until I do", then we should probably just do the sensible thing and lock the leftists away. I don't think that's the case.
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Jul 24 2020 06:00pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 24 2020 04:58pm)
http://www.ka-electronics.com/images/pdf/Sandmann_v_Washington_Post_Complaint.pdf



"Some people get away with murder, therefore I can't fault murderers" is a pretty out there take.

Beyond that, it's fundamentally a mistake to conflate looters and murderers with protesters. If the left's mindset truly is "If I don't get what I want, I'll rape and kill until I do", then we should probably just do the sensible thing and lock the leftists away. I don't think that's the case.


Burning down buildings with people still inside is killing braj
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Jul 24 2020 06:05pm
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http://www.ka-electronics.com/images/pdf/Sandmann_v_Washington_Post_Complaint.pdf

"Some people get away with murder, therefore I can't fault murderers" is a pretty out there take.

Beyond that, it's fundamentally a mistake to conflate looters and murderers with protesters. If the left's mindset truly is "If I don't get what I want, I'll rape and kill until I do", then we should probably just do the sensible thing and lock the leftists away. I don't think that's the case.


It's not "some people get away with murders" it's "the enforcers of the social contract systematically being protected from consequences for murder"

Big difference. If you can't trust the enforcement of the social contract to at least happen in good faith, the social contract becomes null. At that point you shouldn't be surprised when people stop respecting the social contract.

It doesn't have anything to do with a moral or legal justification, it's just an observation.
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Jul 24 2020 06:05pm
I'm trying to read the original posts from 2019, but The Washington Post won't let you read articles without being a subscriber. Absolute garbage.

I get around NYT paywalls just fine, so does anyone know how to get around Washington Post's?

Edit: Found a way.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jul 24 2020 06:08pm
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I'm trying to read the original posts from 2019, but The Washington Post won't let you read articles without being a subscriber. Absolute garbage.

I get around NYT paywalls just fine, so does anyone know how to get around Washington Post's?


i have crude methods for this which involve refreshing the page and "stopping" the refresh just in time
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Jul 24 2020 06:11pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 24 2020 08:05pm)
It's not "some people get away with murders" it's "the enforcers of the social contract systematically being protected from consequences for murder"

Big difference. If you can't trust the enforcement of the social contract to at least happen in good faith, the social contract becomes null. At that point you shouldn't be surprised when people stop respecting the social contract.

It doesn't have anything to do with a moral or legal justification, it's just an observation.


I really don't think that's whats going on here. We see that in places like Xinjiang, where extremists (who are severely repressed) launch mass knife attacks against police officers and other representatives of the Han Chinese presence in the region. I'm not saying that's the right response, because I don't (it has a sub-zero chance of success), but at least it's understandably directed against the supposed perpetrators of mass oppression. But not only are the police fundamentally not to blame in the United States, but the violence isn't even directed at the police. It's an excuse to slip any semblance of civility and rob your neighbor blind. What's worse is that privileged whites are engaging in the same sort of behavior, inevitably causing damage to minority communities and setting them back decades. But it's fine, because they'll go home to their suburbs and be non the worse for wear.
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Jul 24 2020 06:18pm
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That lawsuit sounds like it was written by someone in PaRD. loooooooool

For relevant information about people wondering about the defamation:

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51. On January 19, 20 and 21, the Post ignored the truth and falsely accused
Nicholas of, among other things, “accost[ing]” Phillips by “suddenly swarm[ing]” him in
a “threaten[ing]” and “physically intimidat[ing]” manner as Phillips “and other activists
were wrapping up the march and preparing to leave,” “block[ing]” Phillips path, refusing
to allow Phillips “to retreat,” “taunting the dispersing indigenous crowd,” chanting “build
that wall,” “Trump2020,” or “go back to Africa,” and otherwise engaging in racist and
improper conduct which ended only “when Phillips and other activists walked away

54. At 11:13 p.m. on January 18, 2019, @2020fight, a fake Twitter account with
a following of approximately 41,000, tweeted a 1 minute 1 second clip from the Taitano
Videos with the comment “This MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American
protestor at the Indigenous Peoples March.” (the “2020fight Video”).
55. The 2020fight Video, alone, is reported as having been viewed at least
2,500,000 million times, retweeted 14,000 times, and liked 27,000 times before the
account was suspended by Twitter no later than January 21.
56. Snapshots of the 2020fight video show it to have been viewed at least 10.6
million times.
57. According to media reports, the @2020fight account was created in
December 2016, tweeted an average of 130 times a day, and was suspicious for its high
follower count, unusually high rate of tweets, highly polarized and yet inconsistent
political messaging, and the use of someone else’s image in the profile photo.
- 10 -
58. In fact, as acknowledged by the Post on January 23, the @2020fight account
was likely a fraudulent account available for sale on Shoutcart.com.
59. By January 23, the Post conceded that the @2020fight account that was
largely responsible for the edited video going viral on social media may have been
purchased from Shoutcart.com for that specific purpose.
60. With no investigation into the @2020fight account, the Post actively,
negligently, and recklessly participated in making the 2020fight Video go viral on social
media when on January 19 at 9:21 a.m., Post reporter Joe Heim re-posted the 2020fight
Video.
61. The Post was the one of the first, if not the first, mainstream media outlet to
expand coverage of the January 18 incident from social media to mainstream media.
62. Post reporter Heim was given credit for contributing to the Post’s first
online article within approximately four (4) hours of his retweet of the 2020fight Video
and was listed on the by-line in the Post’s first print article, along with Antonio Olivo and
Cleve R. Wootson, Jr.


The actual article pieces are in "Exhbits D and E" in the case, but they're not included in this lawsuit link.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jul 24 2020 06:25pm
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Jul 24 2020 06:39pm
$250 million is what the suit was asking, it was settled for less
we don't know the actual amount they settled for
we do know he got a multimillion settlement from CNN in january

its a pretty safe assumption that any payout was big enough to cover attorney fees + be substantial enough to agree to
so yeah, he's making bank. Just not that much




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