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#41
Jun 17 2020 06:06pm
Quote (Interesting @ Jun 17 2020 04:39pm)
Here is how I think any rational person should read the story...

“After being surprised he failed at something he tried out of the blue for 2 hours, man overreacts and changes his opinion rather than taking into account that actual trainees likely have months of training, years of preparation, and probable military backgrounds before attempting the same training, and that many cops in the field also have an additional X years of training and experience for those situations.”

Reads like an Onion article because it’s as ridiculous as it sounds.


Thank God someone said it.
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Jun 17 2020 06:39pm
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Quote (Kayeto @ Jun 17 2020 07:17pm)
Those are just the first 5 names that popped into my head without even having to gather a list to remember names. I could pop Tamir Rice in there as well. Bottom line is, the problem has been prominent enough over the years to warrant some corrective action.

And ultimately, it isn't so much about the individual cases as what we learned about the legal process from seeing how those cases play out publicly. When we realize how reluctant the system is to enforce accountability on someone who is "one of their own", then we see that there is a problem. Because those results broadcast a message to the whole country saying "don't worry, cops won't be held accountable" which only serves to reinforce the problems.


No it isn't.

Prove it you math-incapable fucker.
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#43
Jun 17 2020 06:43pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 17 2020 07:39pm)
No it isn't.

Prove it you math-incapable fucker.


5 > 0

Which was the original position expressed mathematically.

Then he moved the goalposts.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 17 2020 06:33pm)
Isn't death itself a nonspecific symptom in this case?
I mean I think we can rule out that he died of ebola or being struck by a meteorite or autoerotic asphyxiation. But we're not really pushing the dial in either direction


Death isn't a symptom, it's the effect.

A reasonable physician can concede that the congestion is possible due to asphyxia.
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#44
Jun 17 2020 06:44pm
I watched a video yesterday of a black man pulled over for speeding, asked for his licence, reaches for it and the cop pulls his gun holds it on him and starts screaming at him, when the man asks why a gun is being pointed at him the cop calls for backup and ignores him.
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#45
Jun 17 2020 06:53pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 17 Jun 2020 20:44)
I watched a video yesterday of a black man pulled over for speeding, asked for his licence, reaches for it and the cop pulls his gun holds it on him and starts screaming at him, when the man asks why a gun is being pointed at him the cop calls for backup and ignores him.

sounds about right “why are you resisting arrest” lol
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#46
Jun 17 2020 07:18pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 17 2020 08:39pm)
No it isn't.

Prove it you math-incapable fucker.


Here's the proof: Incidents of "compliance with police resulting in death" became flashpoints which attracted media attention and public outrage. The buildup of years of incidents led to unrest and eventually riots that destroyed a city. Therefore, we can reach the conclusion that it is a problem.

There are incidents all around the country whose names never even make the local paper (names I will never know), but those experiences have a personal impact on the black people who felt victimized by them. When they see Amadou Diallo's killers found 'not guilty' (despite not offering any defense or justification for the shooting), that causes anger. The anger of the people is a real factor that exists and has to be dealt with.

Trying to handwave it away with "it's not a problem" will not work. It obviously is a problem, you can't deny that the building is burning. If the people say that the system of government doesn't reflect the will of the people then, by definition, the people are correct that it is a problem. Those are the rules of the system.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Jun 17 2020 07:18pm
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Jun 17 2020 07:29pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Jun 17 2020 09:18pm)
Here's the proof: Incidents of "compliance with police resulting in death" became flashpoints which attracted media attention and public outrage. The buildup of years of incidents led to unrest and eventually riots that destroyed a city. Therefore, we can reach the conclusion that it is a problem.

There are incidents all around the country whose names never even make the local paper (names I will never know), but those experiences have a personal impact on the black people who felt victimized by them. When they see Amadou Diallo's killers found 'not guilty' (despite not offering any defense or justification for the shooting), that causes anger. The anger of the people is a real factor that exists and has to be dealt with.

Trying to handwave it away with "it's not a problem" will not work. It obviously is a problem, you can't deny that the building is burning. If the people say that the system of government doesn't reflect the will of the people then, by definition, the people are correct that it is a problem. Those are the rules of the system.


Yea, because the media lies you clueless dolt. 20 people died yesterday in Detroit by other fucking blacks. Do you fucking care? Did anyone fucking riot? Does the media paint a narrative that blacks murder blacks?

Stop spreading your lies. Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand. You're actually getting people killed.
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#48
Jun 17 2020 07:31pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jun 17 2020 01:02pm)
https://www.facebook.com/203805062990264/posts/3818885561482178/

After experiencing simulations of situations police deal with regularly, in one of which he shot an unarmed man, civil rights activist jarrett maupin reversed his opinion and instead promoted compliance with police.

This was in 2015. If only floyd and others had listened to him, they would still be alive. I wonder what role, if any, Jarrett has taken in the current protests.


Cue the leftists claiming it's staged etc.


guess we’ll just ignore breonna taylor then eh? what was she not complying with :wacko:
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#49
Jun 17 2020 07:33pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 17 2020 06:29pm)
Yea, because the media lies you clueless dolt. 20 people died yesterday in Detroit by other fucking blacks. Do you fucking care? Did anyone fucking riot? Does the media paint a narrative that blacks murder blacks?

Stop spreading your lies. Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand. You're actually getting people killed.


The Catholic church doesn't have a problem with molesting children. 30 people were molested in Dallas today.

We expect better from people in positions of authority because they have the power.
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#50
Jun 17 2020 07:35pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 17 2020 02:43pm)
You can read the ME report for yourself. He had 75-90%+ blocked coronal arteries, 11 ng/ml fentanyl in his system, a history of severe hypertension, sickle cell anemia, an incredibly enlarged heart at 540g, severe LVH at 1.2:0.4mm and a litany of other uppers and downers in his sytem at the same time. There was not a single life threatening injury, no signs of trauma, no markings consistent with strangulation or asphyxia, no petechial hemorrhaging, no compression injuries, no bruising. He reported being unable to breathe and had signs of a heart attack before being restrained, when his struggle with officers to that point had been very minimal.
Having a 90% blocked artery alone is enough you could drop dead at any second, and compound that with all the other comorbidities that cause heart attacks.
Odds are he was a dead man walking



ever heard of the eggshell skull rule? you can’t play what if’s, there’s no guarantee the man would have died if not murdered by chauvin. floyd’s death took 8 minutes and 46 seconds to happen even in poor health and “while drugged”. safe to say he was probably fine otherwise. it’s purely chauvin’s fault.
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