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May 20 2020 03:00pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 May 2020 22:38)
vouch.

when someone says "all women are beautiful", I must always think of this bombshell:

http://www.24hviralphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/the-ugliest-bride-in-the-world-2.jpg
http://www.24hviralphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/the-ugliest-bride-in-the-world-1.jpg

I mean... I want everyone to be happy and feel comfortable in his or her body, even those who arent genetically blessed. But still... YIKES!


this is not the thread for your profile pictures. that said, congratulations. you two seem happy, and that's all that counts.
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May 20 2020 03:12pm
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this is not the thread for your profile pictures. that said, congratulations. you two seem happy, and that's all that counts.


Wow, that was even less funny than the shitty antifa memes you like to spam.
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May 20 2020 03:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 20 2020 01:38pm)
vouch.

when someone says "all women are beautiful", I must always think of this bombshell:

http://www.24hviralphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/the-ugliest-bride-in-the-world-2.jpg
http://www.24hviralphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/the-ugliest-bride-in-the-world-1.jpg

I mean... I want everyone to be happy and feel comfortable in his or her body, even those who arent genetically blessed. But still... YIKES!


That person is morbidly obese. That's unhealthy. Unhealthiness is unattractive. If they feel that they're attractive in spite of their unhealthiness, more power to them. I'm not going to say "she's beautiful" because I prefer not to lie.

That being said, great that they found someone who sees their beauty. Best of luck to them.

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Wow, that was even less funny than the shitty antifa memes you like to spam.


Vouch.
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Wow, that was even less funny than the shitty antifa memes you like to spam.


the self-awareness considering what kind of post that was a reply to... astonishing...

you're just mad that even superficially ugly people can be happy while you keep getting rejected for your personality...
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the self-awareness considering what kind of post that was a reply to... astonishing...

you're just mad that even superficially ugly people can be happy while you keep getting rejected for your personality...


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I'll drop the trolling and give my actual opinion now.

I think that this is the government stepping in where it shouldn't since this is a medical decision and should be based on evidence and outcomes, and hormone therapy and/or transitional procedures shouldn't be subject to any different standards than other medical procedures. This is why we have medical organizations writing practice guidelines based on the scientific literature, so we can establish a standard of care for different issues based on evidence. Government representatives are generally ill equipped to handle these kinds of issues.
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I'll drop the trolling and give my actual opinion now.

I think that this is the government stepping in where it shouldn't since this is a medical decision and should be based on evidence and outcomes, and hormone therapy and/or transitional procedures shouldn't be subject to any different standards than other medical procedures. This is why we have medical organizations writing practice guidelines based on the scientific literature, so we can establish a standard of care for different issues based on evidence. Government representatives are generally ill equipped to handle these kinds of issues.


i suspect that it isn't even an actual issue at all, just typical conservative virtue signaling.
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May 20 2020 04:46pm
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i suspect that it isn't even an actual issue at all, just typical conservative virtue signaling.


I would question that. If it's enough of an issue that they think they have to make a law regarding it, it probably is an issue.

Here in the US, affirmative consent is required by law. So patients of gender surgery must be age 18 at a minimum. Hormone replacement therapy, counseling, etc. are all good at pretty much any age with parental consent. Only the irreversible surgeries require the person be an adult. And 99% of the reason for that is related to the fact that the surgery literally castrates you (testicles removed for males, ovaries removed for females). So the person's ability to have children goes away, and never comes back.
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I think that this is the government stepping in where it shouldn't since this is a medical decision and should be based on evidence and outcomes, [...] This is why we have medical organizations writing practice guidelines based on the scientific literature, so we can establish a standard of care for different issues based on evidence.


Do we have enough long-term studies about the impact of allowing or denying irreversible surgeries or hormone therapy to underage patients? Do we have a large enough scientific body of work with sufficient sample size and methodological rigor?

And more importantly: are we living in a social and political environment where such studies can be expected to have been conducted open-ended? If, say, a study found out that transgenderism in minors is abating after a couple of years in a majority of cases, would such a study really be published without being torn to shreds by trans activists and liberal media? I think, and yes, this is a subjective call, that transgender issues are a field where science has been "tainted" by politics.



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and hormone therapy and/or transitional procedures shouldn't be subject to any different standards than other medical procedures.


These are very intrusive procedures with wide-ranging, often times irreversible effects. Therefore, performing them on underage kids who are far below the age of discretion and who dont have fully developed personalities yet is very dicey and shouldnt be taken lightly or compared with standard medical procedures.
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