GDP is 2% so no the economy is not the highest it’s been in years. Some people are doing okay with their stock investments (propped up by a trillion dollars in deficit spending) and they’ll all be wiped out before most cash out their 401ks anyway.

Trump lied dozens of times during SotU. He and the Republicans do really well lying. People believe them. That’s why there is a bump. Americans are gullible morons.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Feb 5 2020 01:30pm

"having access to ≠ benefit from", well yeah, u can lead a horse to water u cant make it drink. stock market is up at a time when exponentially more people have access to it. the market was literally inaccessible up to this point in history, thus the "stock market doesnt help the common man" being a 1980's narrative. times have changed, narratives should too.

the simplest way to see if the common man is befitting is if they have a job. people tend to need jobs. are the jobs perfect? no. are the benefits great? no. will fossil fuel rollbacks cause pollution and w/e? surely. but are they living on welfare and food stamps like they did in the recession? no.

Nice to see our man is doing so well, seeing that hag rip up his speech made my day. Another nail in her coffin

Yeah what is that guy gonna do, wave his magic wand and bring all the jobs back!?

to be fair should probably just bomb California and GDP could be rocking 5-6% on morale boost alone.

This post was edited by LA-Leviathan on Feb 5 2020 01:44pm

sounds like you have a little crush on her

it's funny how 'exponentially more people' have access to it, yet it's almost exclusively the already well-off that actually benefit from it. the narrative might change when the reality of it changes, not based on a largely hypothetical assumption. "this artificial sugar high on the stock markets does NOT improve the lives of average americans" is a valid claim.

wage stagnation, record income inequality, record deficit, the erosion of worker rights and consumer protections, debt crisis... i would argue those aspects are significantly more impactful for normal people than any records on the stock market, but for some mysterious reason not a single cultist even mentions them...

and just to be clear, i'm not saying ALL of that is trump's fault (even though in terms of deregulating predatory industries, and rolling back protections for consumers and workers for example he certainly played a very impactful role), what i'm saying is that the whole 'the economy is booming, everyone is better off thanks to emperor trump' is largely a propaganda narrative, built on short term measures and window dressing.

This post was edited by fender on Feb 5 2020 02:24pm

you keep saying only well off people are benefiting from it. i dont even begin understand what that means. how exactly are the record number of people with retirement accounts at a time when stocks are at an all time high not benefiting from their retirement accounts increasing?

"cultists" dont mention them because they understand that if people try to "fix" them the corporations will automate out an entire class of people in the USA. "worker rights" = "layoffs on a massive scale and chinese jobs".


the long and short of it is Obama was potus over a massive recession with massive unemployment, largely not his fault. Trump is now a potus directly after with a big upswing in jobs, largely not to his credit in policy. that means the same people who were unemployed 10 years ago, lost houses, couldnt buy food, couldnt buy their kids xmas presents, etc. they have jobs now. "these jobs arent good enough" is suburban white privilege mixed with ignorance about automation. my mom worked at mcdonalds, subway, etc to put food on the table, still couldnt swing xmas gifts. i grew up as poor as anyone in this sub im sure, and now im in the automation industry. calls for worker protections in a rapidly automating economy are going to cause the worst recession and unemployment numbers in the modern era, with no recovery. Trump's economy is far from perfect, but the jobs now will save people from starving later.

fender is on state subsidy in whatever gutter in Dresden he lives in. doesn't have to worry about anything but reciting passages from his favorite book 'my struggle' while holding it with his left hand (the right hand of his is permanently frozen in some form of salute). he doesn't comprehend that 'other people' work for a living and many of them have retirement/investment accounts

California has the third highest GDP in the world?

They are the most successful Americans.

Where would we get all these shitty movies lol?

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 5 2020 02:39pm