Quote (Skinned @ Jan 29 2020 05:29pm)

And someone on the right raising your taxes hits my pocket book differently?

The house I'm moving into is going to cost ~500 a month in property taxes for the area and I would not call the local government liberal lol. Then over 1000 a month between wife and I on income and state taxes, in Ohio, not what you would call liberal. When Feb-Mar rolls around I'll get a fuckin tax bill that will probably equal a paycheck.....2017 was ~2500...2018 was better because we went with zero deductions and paid maximum taxes throughout the year...was only a couple hundred bucks. I think Trump enacted something that did benefit us on our last taxes, and I appreciate it, but some folks are really hurting too.

I don't feel like the liberals are taking all my money. I don't think it is the GOP either. My opposition to them is more based in their collective commitment to fantastic beliefs and their gross incompetence in governance.

I would vote Libertarian if they weren't such a freakshow lol.

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I frequently hear about investors and entrepreneurs who are leaving California for states that have friendlier tax policies. But who can blame them? They’ve worked hard and taken significant bets over many years and now they need to protect their gains,” said Ryan Gilbert, a serial entrepreneur-turned-venture-capitalist at Propel Venture Partners. “California should adopt incentives that mirror the federal incentives to keep these entrepreneurs and investors in the state.”

But for now, it appears California might be heading in the opposite direction. One measure seeking signatures for a spot on California’s November 2020 ballot would raise the top individual income tax rate to 16.3 percent.

Quote (balrog66 @ Jan 29 2020 09:09am)

And what mathematical arguments have you based this on?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 29 2020 07:30pm)

I live in NYS and taxes here are rape, as they are in most liberal or democrat led havens. Trumps exemptions only really hurt people living in high cost of living high tax states like NY, Cali, Oregon by capping how much they can deduct. It's actually pretty genius as it causes high earners to essentially abandon liberal states and go to conservative ones that have much lower taxes.



https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/economy/latest-census-data-shows-californians-continue-to-flock-to-texas/287-8991ef8d-6184-4637-957f-313f25d1b724

Quote (ThatAlex @ Jan 29 2020 08:00pm)

This is a good question. Conservatives and hunters were among the first American environmentalists. The answer to your question is likely multi-faceted. I think the two biggest factors in why there is not a larger right wing green movement is because Conservatives tend to favor the economy over the environment, and I also think Conservatives view climate science and environmental science as partisan in nature.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 29 2020 07:43am)

This is not the case, renewable energy gets billions in subsidies almost everywhere.



Because the arguments are cartoonish and nonmathematical. The movement also has no solutions, just complaints. Get China and India to stop burning fossil fuels, then come to the first world, not the other way around.

In the meantime the cheapest alternative is biofuel, and its still 2x as expensive as the most efficient coal and oil.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 29 2020 06:44pm)

Very simple. Renewable costs about twice as much per mWh.

Take your average 110$ power bill and double it for low income families.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 30 Jan 2020 01:30)

I live in NYS and taxes here are rape, as they are in most liberal or democrat led havens. Trumps exemptions only really hurt people living in high cost of living high tax states like NY, Cali, Oregon by capping how much they can deduct. It's actually pretty genius as it causes high earners to essentially abandon liberal states and go to conservative ones that have much lower taxes.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 30 2020 05:50am)

They are religious thinkers as well, and part of American ideology compounds that, which is the mastery of culture and technology over nature. American exceptionalism and all that.

The genetics of this ideology goes deeper into notions of natural law that get a little deeper into philosophy which most here are bad at so there is little point in elaborating further.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 30 2020 02:05pm)

In particular, it eliminated a tax scheme which basically amounted to poorer, low tax red states subsidizing wealthy high tax blue states.

Not sure though if it's really such a genius move because all the (more) liberal people fleeing Cali and NY for states like Texas, Florida or Arizona risks turning the latter into purple states.