There seems to be little room for movement at this point. You have solid no's from Trump supporters, yes' from opposition, and people who could be moved are likely annoyed with how the inquiry played out.

Without additional witnesses being called or documents being presented it will likely stay the same.



So now it needs to be a legal process instead of a purely political one? Thats some bullshit.

That's what Trump supporters are expecting, but the whole story is more simple, more accessible to average people than previous Russian investigation, which was still valid and which did not exonerate him.
Damage will be at least low, and the witnesses... They will be here again.

its not some bullshit its the constitution ya clown.
House is political
Senate is legal.
Its the way it was designed. Get with the program.

Please point me to the part in the constitution where it says anything even close to that.

Impeachment in the United States is the process by which a legislature (usually in the form of the lower house) brings charges against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed, analogous to the bringing of an indictment by a grand jury. Impeachment may occur at the federal level or the state level. The federal House of Representatives can impeach federal officials, including the president, and each state's legislature can impeach state officials, including the governor, in accordance with their respective federal or state constitution.

Most impeachments have concerned alleged crimes committed while in office, though there have been a few cases in which officials have been impeached and subsequently convicted for crimes committed prior to taking office.[1] The impeached official remains in office until a trial is held. That trial, and removal from office if convicted, is separate from the act of impeachment itself.

In impeachment proceedings, the defendant does not risk forfeiture of life, liberty, or property. According to the Constitution, the only penalties allowed to be imposed by the Senate are removal from office and disqualification from holding any federal office in the future.




Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7 provide:

The Senate shall have the sole Power totry all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.



Procedure
At the federal level, the impeachment process is a three-step procedure.[21]

First, the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The facts that led to impeachment of Bill Clinton were first discovered in the course of an investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.
Second, the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached."
Third, the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate, who is also the Vice President of the United States. Conviction in the Senate requires the concurrence of a two-thirds supermajority of those present. The result of conviction is removal from office.[citation needed]

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jan 19 2020 09:55am

That doesn't say anything about the house being political. The founders biggest fear about impeachment was partisanship.

This post was edited by krackprophet on Jan 19 2020 10:00am

The way the founders envisioned congress was that the house would be directly elected and have to submit to the wills of their people every 2 years, so they would rotate out often.

But they thought the people weren't qualified to make all the decisions so they made the senate to be appointed by the state governments and only every 6 years so they could be less accountable to the public who are more easily manipulated, so the senate would be a place of more intellectual and slower debate.

His characterization is accurate, but since we now have the senate also elected by the people the intention is pretty much lost.

OK.. then be an ostrich on the fact that the House bears no legal burden to legally prove their argument (that's up to the Senate)=political opinion
How are you ok with Moscow Mitch clearly stating he is partisan and will do whatever to get the president off? And is already working with him.. Pretty much direct quote.
He is violating the Constitution. I guess you tRumpers don't care about that document anymore.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jan 19 2020 10:09am

Fair enough. If we were proceeding the way the founders intended I wouldn't really have an issue.



I'll concede its political.

He's saying the quiet part out loud basically. Why don't we try to impeach him.

I'm not a tRumper as you put it. I take issue with the process as its unfolded.

The only part of the process that has not unfolded in a way the founders would have wanted is McConnell saying he would torpedo the proceedings before the trial. The house is supposed to be rash and short sighted, that's why they have 2 year terms and direct elections.