The Columbine shooters were 17 & 18, just so you know. And they didn't face justice, so that's a moot point on your part.

Poor example then. My point is that you can understand the ramifications of murder and how bad it is several years before 18. There are 14 year olds who have been given a life sentence (and rightfully so!) I believe that if you can have one exception, you can have many.

That’s not very libertarian of you.

I think the age for all of these should be zero. People should be able to participate in society. You don’t suddenly become human because you’ve been squatting here a number of cycles around a star. If you’re scared of what the country would look like if 14 year olds could vote, you’re 1) freaking out over nothing because young people rarely vote and 2) adults are truly at fault for failing to educate them if their votes are truly so bad. I knew more about current events in the world from channel one news at 14 than my grandparents. Age doesn’t mean shit. And as far as prison sentencing goes, the debate should be far, far less about adult vs child and more about getting rid of a bunch of laws and “crimes” and emptying out the system. Military... I’m sure there are literally 8 year olds who could fly circles around whoever the military’s top remote drone pilot currently is while sending him reeeeeeee troll IMs over discord. Age ain’t shit. Coercion matters, and that’s a core libertarian principle. But let’s stop starting by already giving in to their entire worldview that these arbitrary standards should exist in the first place.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Dec 31 2019 02:53pm

Yep. and when you hold your own fathers hand as he dies from that very addiction and he tells you many times over several years how stupid he was to ever take up the habit you can comment this sheer nonsense, until then kindly keep your sociopathic crap to yourself.
I am not kidding when i say you are disgusting.
Lolbertarians white knighting the good fight for tobacco corporations and asbestos barons everywhere!

Why would libertarians countenance children participating in the aggression of voting?



I didn't say smoking was a good idea. I'm saying telling an adult what they may ingest is none of my fucking business, and it's none of yours either. I'm not defending big tobacco, I'm defending a clear delineation between being an adult and not being an adult. Getting to be an adult means you get to make your own decisions about what you do to/with yourself, be that drugs, alcohol, tobacco, abstaining thereof, etc. What it's not is "you're an adult capable of X, but not Y, but sometimes Z if A, B, & C also agree."

I smoked for years. My dad smoked for years. We're both ex-smokers. I'm pretty sure I have an informed opinion.

This post was edited by Santara on Dec 31 2019 04:22pm

Voting is an act of aggression now?

The majority forces their political will onto the minority, so yes.

The alternative is a minority forcing their political will on the majority. That’s the sort of world we had with monarchies and aristocracies. The kind of world that created the libertarian movement to begin with.

All politics are force. Everything from property rights to voting is predicated on force. You use definitions that are so broad that they are meaningless and as a result you fail to make convincing arguments.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 31 2019 08:06pm

Why do you feel so desperately the need to be cuckholded by political elites?